a part of my game i don't like, is number closing. i have my technique which i have posted but in real life , as apposed to msn or Fb, it isnt always 100% succesful.

Any good number closes?

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There shouldn't be any routine on the number close. Build up enough comfort. Discuss meeting up another time, or bring up a situation in which you will need her number. Friday's are always good because if you're going out the next day you can call her to invite you along with your PLANS YOU ALREADY HAVE!

The biggest part is the number flake.

Make sure there is a reason for you to call her.

Call her right there to make sure she has your number too so she will answer when you call.

OR, text her something cute right there so she knows its you. (this is best when leaving the bar, so you can see whether or not any further conversation will occur via text right there)

Leave her a voicemail in front of her saying how rude it is not to pick up the phone and how its her turn now to call you. This will make her laugh and when she listens to the voicemail the next day she'll think about how you made her laugh and then she'll call you

Save her name in your phone as something to remember her by. There's always the "how do you spell your name" issue. I'll be like ok spell it? then when she's done spelling her name i'll show it to her saying "Katrina 8.5" or "Kaity is hot."

Almost every girl will give you her number when asked. It's the flaking you have to worry about.

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Ive never really had that experience except a couple of fake numbers.

its just what sort of reasons? i mean i get good value and rappor and the conversation is going great, but then i don't no how to initiate it

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Hi! I've read your post about N-closing and hopefully I am able to add some value.
Where do you experience the problems: are your numbers flaking, doesn't she want to give you her number or is it an inner game thing (you're uncomfortable asking for a number)?
First of I am not an expert, but I might give you some ideas to try out and see if it works for you.
It's already said in the previous post but I aslo found that my so called "flake-rate" went down when I used an reason to ask for a number. I've really come up with the most stupid reasons. For instance: steer the conversation to bars/clubs in the area and invite her to come with you. Open her by asking where she bought her handbag because you would like to by a gift for your sister and N-close by telling her that you could let her know which bag you've bought, etc.
Short (kinda stupid) example of how to steer the conversation:
HB: I live in Amsterdam
DS: No way, some of my best friends live in Amsterdam. Which bars do you like the most?
HB: yadada-bar
DS: I've been there as well. Next time when I am in Amsterdam we should meet. OR Never been there, I've been in the bladibla-bar. But next time when I'am in Amsterdam I am gonna check it out. What's the best way of staying in touch because then I can let you know when I am around.

If she doesn't want to give you her number:
I have seen AFC Adam do some things.
Say: "What's the best way of staying in touch". She replies with "facebook". You tell her: "Ok nice" and start typing her facebook in your phone. Then say: "damn, all that typing isn't easy. You are giving me trouble already. What's your number, because that's easier".
I've also noticed that when she hesitates to give her number it helps when I say: "It's oke, you can also give me a false one". I think it works because it releases the awkward pressure.
If it's an inner game problem, the only real thing that helps in my opinion is pushing through your comfort zone. But it might help to start small.
Another thing I've read from AFC Adam. I tried it and in my opinion it's golden! Use the following as opener:
"Excuse me, I have a kinda extraordinary question. I just dropped my phone and I expect an important call but I don't know if my phone is still working. I am afraid that it doesn't receive the signal anymore. Do you mind calling my number to see if it's still working." Then add: "Don't worry, I wont pick up the phone".
When you've done this her number is already in your phone. When you continue talking to her you don't have to explicitly ask for her number because you already have it! Hope this helps.
If you have any question: feel free to ask!

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I like the call my phone opener. That's a nice one.

But my strategies with the awkwardness has usually been to make it more awkward NOT to do it.

If you feel awkward asking for a girl's number, or anyone's number for the matter, change the situation to something that would make it more awkward not to ask for the number.

Bring into conversation something you haven't done, are going to do, or like to do, and say "We should go do that sometime!" or "You should come with me to this place you'd like it."

At this point it's more awkward to NOT ask for the number.

Also, take this into mind, NOT asking for the number is the natural thing for you to do. You are more comfortable with not asking for it because it is what you are used to. Step outside of your comfort zone for a bit and you will grow more and more comfortable with asking for the number, and it will eventually be your natural habit.

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