1st post.

Been playing the game actively now for a couple of weeks, and my openers are workgin well, i have a good affinity to open reallyg ood solid conversations with groups of girls, of varying sizes and looks...

but this keeps happening to me.

The Wingmen i choose, am aware that i am playing the game, but they themselves arent playing and/or havent studied the game in the same sense thta ihave, reading books, forums etc...

So i am tasked with creating the initial openers when we come across nice girls. I am breaking the ice, generating debate, comfort etc etc. However, it keeps occuring that after my opener, i don't get any backup form my teammates, and the girls, which i opened are then going off with my wings and i seem to be left with nothing.

Quite frustrating as i am the one making the effort (as well as concealing that effort) and others are benefitting form it.

Worst of all, after my wingman scored a blinding result with a HB9 and had beformed a #close and a Kclose. He was then unwilling to help me get ymself a result form the game, which resulted in some harsh words being exchanged later that night!

my Stickign Point is...

How can i retian command of a group that i've opened and not get them stolen off me??

i am prepared to adjust my tactics as i feel perhaps i may be doing something wrong??? but then again, this has happened more than once, and i am definately beginnign to feel that i cant find any good wingmen whatsoever!!!

please help fellow PUA/AFC

thanks pals!

I can think of two things that may help:

1.) Solo Sarge - no real need for explanation there.

2.) Find different wings. Wings are supposed to help you, not steal your flame. Find some people that you trust; try to find someone who understands the "he who opens the set owns the set" rule. Having lady friends act as pivots might be beneficial too.

Most importantly, don't sarge with guys who leech your openers and AMOG you because they don't have enough balls to open sets themselves. That's pretty much the opposite of the definition of a wing.

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When you are approaching the set and paying little attention to your target it is the easiest thing for a guy to come in and steel the attention of your targt because she is looking for attention (if you opened up properly). This is one of the worst behavior a wing can have. It shoots his buddy in the foot. Sure it make his job easy, but at your expense.

You can still go out with some of your friends but make it clear that if you open a group, you don't want them near until you give them a signal. Only give the signal when you are ready to isolate your target if need be.

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Yup I would teach them about wing etiquette, he who opens the set owns the set. Come up with a way you can make it clear who you are after then they can go after the others, if they complain tell them to open sets.

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thanks for the feedback gents.

yes i think that i ought to be more clear and decisive in future with regards to my wings.

and one of the points 'TheJ' made seems very apparent, that you create this 'lull before the storm' almost, when negging your primary girl of choice, and rather than your wings waitign out that lull alongside you, thats when they spring forward, right after you've negged the girl, making them appear like some kind of saviour. I am starting to think that i can only sarge with 'trained wingmen' ? lol

already got a new potential new wing candidate who seems to be more understanding of the 'first come first serve' principle and seems to have more or a team-player ethic.

i think other calibration points i need are...

different market. I was sarging with Uni girls who were up to 6 years younger than me, even though my openers were engaging, i think using them in more seasoned/mature environment might work better?

different appeal. I am quite different to my friends, not in particularly a good or bad way tbh. My current sarging friedns are younger than me, and have a more 'youthful/babyish/cute' look and feel to them, plus are more casual/creased in appearance/grooming, whereas i am older, a 6'3" tall, shaven headed 24 year old, with clean/sharp grooming, stands out i think as over-impressive or intimidating amongst that crowd... i think i am goign to deffo try a more mature environment next time....????

thanks for your tips again gents, and any further feedback is always appreciated!

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