Hi guys,

I just can't seem to make the move from Opening a girl to progressing onto the other steps of seduction. I've bought and read the books from Style, David DeAngelo and Mystery.

I understand the basic theory of Opening, Attracting, Comfort building, Seduction, etc, etc all the different models. I've worked on improving my body language, outer confidence and all that too.

My main problem is after I've opened a girl, the conversation just flakes and I don't know where to go or (more specifically) what to say next.

Last weekend I opened a HB8 working at a perfume store about which perfume to buy for my little sister for her 17th. I threw in a few subtle things about my ex-gf etc...but then yeah I just didn't know where to go after with that after. This evening I opened 2 girls at the bus stop with opinion openers and although they were quite receptive I just lacked the content to take it to the next step.

So okay, I don't have a problem opening (largely indirectly) but then (and I believe it's called Transitioning) how do I then inject some energy and change the topic and engage her more so that I can get onto the DHV'ing / Attracting etc?

There's an abundance of content when it comes to Opening but what I'm seriously lacking is content on where to go after I've opened. Any assistance here would be helpful chaps as I'm seriously stuck on this.

Many thanks!

I posted this on a similar topic the other day. It should help you out though. Basically there is no perfect way to transition. If you confident with the switching from one topic to the other, she will be:

I wouldnt call these routines because i make it up as i go along, but i usually think of a list of 'hot topics' that everyone could relate to and start a discussion. My list at the moment is:

- X Factor. The John and Edwards Twins. They are hated by the whole of the UK
- 50 First Dates. Watched it first time the other day, ask girls if they think they could have to make their man fall in love with them every single day.
- Would they date Paris Hilton if they were a guy
- Would they date Lady Gaga if they were a guy! Personally I think shes butt ugly

And then any of my interests in life, i work backwards and try and make them talk about something that could relate to them. For instance, im a big Lil Wayne fan (dont ask why, i cant explain it!)

I ask them "how cool are concerts?! Ever been to one?" Whatever they saying, im genuinly interested because im through a phase of loving concerts right now after seeing LW live. The conversation easily flows into what music you two like. If shes into hip-hop/american music what so ever she will know Lil Wayne. I then suggest we go listen to some and ill play her my favourite tracks in HMV. If she hasnt, then she so needs to hear some! lets go down HMV one day and jam to some tunes! Number Close.

Another one i do, is ask is she a sporty kind of woman. Whatever her answer is, i always say omg you will love skiing! Its such a good sport/lazy sport depending on their answer. 70% of the time they say "ive been!" Theres my invitation to make her visualise us on a skiing holiday together, racing down the slopes and eating massive chocolate filled dohnuts with vin chaud.

My point is, i make her talk about things that i enjoy listening about. Girls switch off when you:

- arent talking with enough enthusiasm
- arent talking loud enough
- are talking about something she cant relate too at all.
- do all the talking

Let them talk about themselves instead of having to listen to you talk! Its a win-win situation! You get to shut up and do nothing, whislt she rambles on. The more she talks, the more she becomes attracted to you! On top of that, she will label you as 'mysterious' because she knows little about you and wants to know more!

I've really enjoyed writing this!

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Cheers mate - some good advice there.

I liked the bit about having a list of 'hot topics' and also the stuff about skiing

Any other tips and gambits out there on what to do after Opening?

First thing I would ask are the sets hooking? from the previous response above about making the girl talk, she will not be inclined to talk unless you have hooked her, so don't just think you open and then she will do the rest of the talking and you can just ask questions. Learn to make observations about her and places where you can take the convo using some of the below transtions, which all can lead to stories or routines. I suggest coming up with a routine stack so you basically have an idea in your head of where to take the interaction, the rest is using obervations and transitions to get through them.

- It’s just like when…
- That reminds me of…
- This one time…

For just a quick example if you are talking to her, she is hooked, and you observe she is wearing a superman shirt(not realistic but just for example) you could transition by saying "your shirt reminds me of how my mom used to yell at me bc I would jump off all the furniture pretending I could fly like Superman......this would help transition me to "If you could have one super power what would it be" routine.

I can pretty much agree with Jewness.

You simply have to have some routines in your head. Some of which you know you can directly use after opening. (Search on this forum )

If you open a non-1-set, the perfect question is "how do you guys know each other?".


Cold reads work as well.

You could try making an observational comment about some feature of hers. If, for example, she has her hair up:

-You: "You know what they say about women who wear their hair up?"
-Her: ?

Then you could do a whiplash sound with your mouth and move your hand accordingly. Come up with something to comment on (hair dyed dark or light) and how it supposedly conveys personality. Try to get her to talk about herself. A friend of mine had to listen to 30 minutes of ranting owing to a simple question: "How can you walk with those heels?"

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