theres this girl ive been hookin up with for off and on for about 2 months now just kissing and nothing more. A few nights ago she says the reason why we haven't gone further than that or had sex was because she thinks i might be a player. she also said that she really likes me but she feels like if we did that it might ruin our friendship. I would just like to hear some of your guys advie. Thanks

Nothing I have to offer is really field tested, but this is what I would do: Admit it. Talk about it. It's an interesting topic. Explain WHY you choose to use pickup to enhance your success with women. Help her to understand that you're not a dishonest creep, but an ordinary guy who is just learning a skill. We do not, for example, consider it inappropriate when somebody chooses to learn public speaking or time management. Why should it be inappropriate when somebody learns how to present themself persuasively and attractively?

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What do you want? F*king her or the friendship?

Try to build up more comfort and kino with her.

If you were a real player (she thinks you are), you already had an f-close.

Exactly right i haven't f closed her cause i am not a payer but i dont know why but she thinks i am. And there is defiantly enough comfort and kino but i think the problem is she has moved too fast with a few guys in her past and they left her in the wind, and shes afraid i might do that with her. Still not sure how to insure her i wont.

Hey man,

This is what I got from Adam Lyons and what I had tested by myself. Sinn offered another tactic but you have to be careful with it. So it's up to you.

AFC Adam's tested by me:

In the mid-game, when she asks me about my past or how'd do you know all of the guys around here and why you're so different, I tell her about "a guy has changed my life completely". I qualify her whether she can takes the info or not. I told her this might change her point of view about me, but I just don't care. If she's still wanted to be with me, she should accept it. If she says yes, I tell her about the community. If she says that she's not sure, I'll move the conversation into something else.

Sinn's:

Make it into a joke. Exaggerate it. Example:
1) Yeah, I happen to be one of the biggest players in the world. Check this month's Playboy magazine, and you'll see my name on the 1st place.
2) (I'm a pianist)
HB: You must be a player!!
dfox565: Yeah, I play the piano very well. So, do you play the piano??

Try it and see which one works for you.

Credit to Sinn and AFC Adam!!
Thanks mates!!

Your best pal,
Steven

Both Adam's and Sinn's are OK at best, but completely inappropriate for this situation. You can only do those if she asks you early on.

As I have said before on these forums, this is how it should go:

Girl: Are you a player?
You: What's a player?
Girl: [Explanation]
You: Oh, a player. Players lie and manipulate. I don't do that.

(If you actually do lie and manipulate, and there are a lot on here that do, then you don't deserve her)

Thanks that is more what i am shooting for