I have begun to see that my game has progressed to the point where I can build attraction, get a phone number, Kiss close and even establish a small relationship with a girl but after that I am stuck.

After my most recent relationship which involved two dates with small amounts of intimacy, I think I have found my sticking point... phone game. I have NO IDEA how to start talking to a girl regularly on the phone. When I call someone I always have to have a reason for calling or I feel weird. Normally my phone conversations are short with me ending in making plans with the girl.

A normal phone convo will go along these lines:

Me: Hey HB, It's "my name". What are you up to?
Her: Blah blah blah
Me: Oh well I was going to head here, you should join me.
Date.

But that's how every call goes. How do you know when to take off the non-needy guy and go into:

Me: Hey HB, I was just calling to see what you were up to?

I searched the prior phone game posts and most were on the topic of when to call the girl after the phone number exchange and how to make a new date.

In my personal experience I find calling the girl the next day is the best. If it goes to voice mail leave a short message and making the day2 is easy if you do something small and make it non-formal.

Back to the problem:
Establishing a non-needy but caring phone call is the hardest thing for me and I think its an easy sticking point to get across with some help. Any help will be greatly appreciated!
Thank you

maybe try have something to ask her about her life.
eg....did u get that sale, did u go for that interview, how did ur night go the other night....something along these lines.
the trouble of course is remembering what in the hell she has coming up in a few days or what the hell she's up to, but if u listen enough you'll think of something to ask next time u speak.
this of course might well portray u care, up to u whether u want that or not.
my personal preference is to stay off the fkn thing unless planning or very early on. phones bring me undone big time.

Thanks for the post and that is exactly what I try to do.

Me: Hey HB, whats going on?
Her: Oh, Nothing just sitting around/doing homework/going to class (I'm a Junior in college)
Me: How did that interview go?
Her: Oh it went Ok. I'm not really sure though etc.
Goes from there to some chit chat and then I make the next date.

How do I call her, make that chit chat, but keep it going on an emotional level and make it consistent. How do I progress to the point where she, before going to bed, says "I'd like to talk to him."


And IveTurnedAFC, I am as also "TurnedAFC." I thought I was alpha in a long term, four year relationship and now I'm back with no clue how to do anything. I am learning though. Any help you can give me is really appreciated.

Try giving her a nickname when you meet her. That way when you phone her there will be an instant connection with the feelings she had the night before. In addition it will make the tone of the phone call seem more friendly and fun.

I agree with the above, think up a topic before you call that will relate to something you talked about earlier. Make a list of things that would have even loose relevance to your first meeting.

Ex:
You: Hey (her nickname)
Her: hey
You: what are you up to on this fine thursday afternoon
Her: blah blah you?
You: blah blah. So I decided to you were right, every man needs to know how to cook and I joined a cooking course.

That is an IDEAL example but you can generally draw something from every meeting to talk about in this way.

That is all in the basis of what I try to do. All those little tiny changes I have incorporated into my game. After the first day two with the girl, how do I call her the next day just to call her and have a random conversation in the middle of the day.

What do I say after the day two to establish an emotional connection over the phone. Do I say: "Hey I was just calling to see what you were up to." After she says what shes doing, how do I move from ending the conversation to some material?

What do I say to keep her on the phone not only to make that next date, but to establish a stronger relationship?

The last "relationship" I was in ended after two dates because I think I didn't establish a good phone relationship which made it hard to move with each other to that next level. Most of our dates were set up in person or with quick phone calls. Small amounts of texting also occurred.

Iv found its always better to call a girl then text but I get caught up texting sometimes. Texting is so much easier then calling! haha.

Thanks for the advice!

Basically my question is, after the day two... now what?