There are a good deal of absolutely gorgeous women in my life with whom I've been relegated to the LJBF zone. Some of these women I've known for years. Is it too late to sarge them or is there a method for getting out of this zone? I don't have one-itis and my selection is not limited to them, but as I mentioned, they're hot as hell and I'd like to exploit any chance I may still have with them. Any help or links to other threads on this would be awesome. Thanks.

This is a good question, one that a lot of people ask but I don't know of any systematic literature on it.

I don't have a lot of my time, but I'll take it to the main points. One of my frist gf's (went out with her for 21 months), we knew each other for about a year before we actually felt physically attracted to each other. So things CAN change.

Best thing to do is to take them out with you as a friend, maybe clubbing or to a bar, and exploit massive DHV, create jealously plotlines and basically sarge other girls (although without being a cock) in front of her. When she realises that you are a magnet for hot girls, you are the one everyone wants, she will start to realise the same thing. Because just like when a group of guys think that a girl is hot and therefore by their qualification you think so too, she will do the same for you. Let other girls qualify themselves to you, and then she will start to do the same.

The other thing is don't do friend-ish things like wait for her to come out the bathroom. Treat her as another doll. I've heard going cocky & funny helps a lot in this situation though I haven't field-tested this as I don't use much C&F.

Also, start to use kino more. And when they give you "friend" hugs and the like, just reject them politely. Say that your hugs are special hugs for special people, not to be used for the sake of it. Then allow her to hug you (she will accept because she needs to raise her value after you've just lowered it), then hug her really well, then push her away before she finishes. Then say that "haha, not bad, but that was only 6 out of 10. Come on, you can do better!". This time watch the hug get more intimate.

Now we're talking business!

Hope this helps.

Thanks, man, that does help a ton.