Hi All,

I'm confused about the different steps of the game. I'm usually pretty good at talking to a variety of women, getting some numbers and even getting dates. But that's where my skill ends. I almost never get past a first date. I usually get some fleeting IOI's from women on the date. You'd think they'd be interested if they are on a date with me. But then the date ends and they never return any of my calls or voicemails.

So my question is: When does A3 end? Is that only upon meeting a girl? Do you begin C1 on the date? How do you know when to change from one step to another?

The M3 model is a brilliant pickup structure. its main flaw is recognising when to change phase and what phase that you are in.
A3 - Qualifying or M2FI/A (Male to female attraction/ interest)
Bait hook reel release 3-4 times with a rif (short convo) inbetween each.
anything she asks you use hoop theory, and instead of answering just return the question. whatever she says just IOI. remember that in this phase you are not quite attracted to her - but she is growing on you. You need a reason to like girls beyond their looks - if your known or percieved as a playa then this is absolutley critical as if you do not do it your going to hit loads of LMR. Make sure she believes what it is your saying.

C1 - Just easy conversation where you get to know each other. DHV. (dont build too much here or its going to be LJBF for you - friend )

C2 - create a physical and emotional connection. this is so experimental and creative. really connect with her. your looking to hear things like - oh my god it feels like ive known you wayyyyy much longer than what i have known you for. (bdw a good reply would be - same here time does kinda drag when im with you ) Kiss close here. (day game)

C3 - Intamacy. Escalate from just kissing to realy passionate making out. this should be in the seduction location. go for her sensitive spots - (ear neck etc.)
(a good way of disarming lmr here would be to say - we can kiss but your not having sex with me.)

hope this helps man. just ask if you dont understand any of it.

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The Cs are similar and different only based on location and time. The further you progress the stronger the comfort.
You start C1 before saying goodbye the first time. Sometimes you go through C1-3 without realizing it.

S1 is when you decide to get her into your bed...

OMG! That was awesome advice. Thanks! I realize that I'm never getting past C1. I think I'm just building myself into being a friend everytime... I also never escalated kino, trying to be a gentleman or something. Instead I'm just a gentle-friend. I'll be turning this around, that's for sure...

One question though on your comment: You said "Time does drag when I'm around you". Are we still supposed to be negging them in C2?

You can always neg if you do it right. It just helps building the tension. I prefer to see it as cocky funny though.
When you are in C you want to make them feel comfortable and sometimes humor or negs reduces the levels of drama...

Its as much of a neg as it is a compliancy test. better - its both. your looking for a slap on your knee if your sitting down when you say this or a slap on your upper torso while walking.
You see the confusion you had??? before we posted the replies? that is what happens when you follow the M3 model too strictly. you become so wrapped up in what you need to do and when that you become obsessed with it. remember she isnt thinking of the M3 model when you are interacting - she may not stick to your rules. she may come out with something completely unexpected. this is where you need to mix this M3 model with conversational jujitsu.

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I'm starting to realize that the M3 Model is just phases the relationship goes through. They may be like "levels" in each of the sets. I guess if you get good enough, then you can recognize the specific level, but for me, it's hard enough just switching from A to C and then to S.

I can't seem to post this question in General discussion: Where do you guys think is the best place to sarge in the country? I've heard that Atlanta has a 4:1 ratio of women to men. I live near Manhattan, NY and I think that's probably the hardest place in the country.