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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

It is NOT a point where you get stuck with ONE SPECIFIC GIRL.

A Sticking Point is:
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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
A Sticking Point is NOT:
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
IT IS AGAINST THIS BOARD'S RULES TO POST THREADS ABOUT JUST ONE GIRL
If you have not already gone out and practiced enough to have a real Sticking Point from meeting an ABUNDANCE of women, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO POST HERE.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:14 am 
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ive made tons of progress lately, tons. It's hard to even describe how far i have come. AA nearly smashed completely. was at a nude beach today and I was chatting with hot topless women - trust me, you think not checking out clevage is hard, try having both tits staring you in the face. Or, worse.. imagine naked dudes just lounging everywhere.. ya, i talked to them too. they were much easier, still weird though.

Anyway, im just confused. Part of is I dont know where to focus. I dont have any structure, im just approaching everyone and applying a very simple game plan: open, build attraction with C&F/DHV/NEG(by neg i mean, freeze out, turn away when they are frigid, make semi negative comments (more funny though)/KINO, then switch to comfort building (get them to tell simple stories / relate and offer insights, lots of eye contact and smiling, mirroring, being in close proximity, kino) and then when it works out, getting intimate. I do well, often get to comfort stage.. but sometimes i feel like im rushing shit and not really focusing on the finer details. I should be counting IOIs and using that count to determin what i do next. I should be moving in faster and getting more kcloses? should my Fclose count be higher? What about day 2, what about old friends who are now available - same game plan? What should be psotedon the forum (im torn here between full disclosure and not posting any real details [these girls do deserve respect imo and if they knew i posted shit on here i cant imagine any would be overly pleased.. ].

I dont expect anyone to 'solve' this situation i am in, as i havent even really expressed a solid complaint. I just feel like in refining my PUArtistry skills i have somehow lost sight of what it is i want out of all this. Moreover, I've completely lost the ability to track my progress. I know lots of progress has been made, but in what areas, or even more to the point, what am i really good at? what do i really need to work on?

I guess.. does anyone have any self-testing techniques to figure these sorts of things out? as for what i want out of the all this.. only i can answer that. I think im just torn because I've actually met a couple amazing women recently and though i want to continue to meet more, part of me is (perhaps) getting all AFC and all that jazz - i dont fully believe this, it seems natural to want to settle down with women you consider great. THis isnt a possibilty as i am moving shortly, but it still sounds nice. haha.. i cant wait for this to be quoted and followed by "afc" :P

anyway, self-testing techniques anyone?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:07 am 
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Don't worry about it man, with continued practise, and just "doing it" you will start to think, hmm that set was cool, theres a chance I could have done "..." perhaps Ill do that next time, by habit you will eventually seek out to do what you have not done yet.

Keep it up

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Totally, there is no way I can walk away from what I have learned in only this short period. This new twist to my life is much to appealing to disengage from, I'll definitely ride it out. However, that aside I still feel some sort of frustration with how I seem to have somewhat stalled. I know progress is still being made - just kinda sorted out my lunches / dinners this upcoming week and i have 4 1-1s with different women so life is clearly good - but i cant help but feel as though I am not working on my weak points.. instead im just sharpening blades that already cut.. wow, so metaphoric. Im just relying on a few things that i have developed and have found to be very successful. Here's a short list:
1. Freezing out - trying to respond to IOI count and freezing out target when they act less than positive to me.
2. Body language - used primarily to illustrate alpha posturing / DHV by being 'at ease' in all situations. Can also DSV ( i make shit up all the time, display Sexual value) in that sometimes you connect with a.n.. aroused? woman (or just a girl who is very 'flirtatious' / seeking attention.. call it what you will..) and if you can make eye contact and at least maintain your cool when you receive a wink or very suggestive looks, or better yet respond very.. not quite coyly, but discretely you can display what i guess i just termed DSV, whatever it is it increases attraction by a lot
3. mirroring - mimic hand gestures during stories, smile, laugh, sometimes facial expressions, etc
4. DHV'n through being extroverted - talking to everyone about whatever. I also sometimes try to be overly extroverted to females when im working a girl. I think this makes the target girl see how well you interact with women / (if done well enough) make them want to be treated in the same way.
5. Kino - i actively try to initiate body contact, specially at key times
6. invade others personal space with confidence, this kinda goes with the body posturing.
7. when i think a fair bit of attraction has been built up I try to switch it up and build comfort, by this i mean ask personal questions and then relate to them. Im paraphrasing here, but basically probe into who they are and make them feel good about the things they already like about themselves / provide insightful comments to perhaps egg them on in areas I want them to be interested.
8. NLP?? - no clue what this really is. but you try to associate particular words with emotional states and then use those words later to reactivate said emotions? Not really sure i know how to use this nor if what i said is actually close to what NLP is like, but.. something similar to what i have said has gone through my mind. no clue though. it's generally fairly sexual in nature also.
9. working the men before the women - i try to warm up the guys before making any moves on any surrounding girls. This depends heavily on whether i know the girls though, like today i was in a bar with my brother and this girl happened to walk by that i knew. I got up hugged her etc, sat back down (leaned far back) and engaged her in dialogue. I gave her a bit of grief (CF to regain some attraction), then talked about art (got her previously to agree to make me some art and to show me her art collection) (comfort a bit). Did some kino (already knows me ot be a touchy person from previous encounters so kino isnt new, but this time i touched her stomach instead of her shoulders / arm which is where i usually 'brush / ta[' her. She definitely noticed, but only continued to show IOIs. She invites us to her table where a dude i hvae met once was ... point being i totally ignored him and stole her attention for the 5 minutes i stuck around, i had 'plans' to attend to. anyway, we set loose plans for the weekend. sweet.
10. never give too much attention to th girl you really want, always work indirectly. I struggle with this one, but use it as a general guideline. I will never just focus solely on the girl i want if she is with friends (or alone even, i always look at other women or engage our waitress / cashiers etc).

i cant think of anything else, but tehse are the main aspects of what i am trying to do when i 'open' or 'seduce' or 'game' girls that i interact with. any particular areas stick out that need attention?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:47 am 
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If you need to work on something It will stick out like a sore thumb for example,

"hmm what happened here, oh i know, no kino!"

"hmm what happened here, no sexual tension"

etc.

Meet up with some more wings have them evaluate you and vice versa, you will learn ALOT that way.

And lastly, chill man, not that you suggest alot that you are in a rush, but nothing good comes quickly. I read seduction 4 years ago when I was 16, then spent 16-17 having a online LTR that destroyed my life, then 18-19 studying PU, and now a month shy of 20 with 3 months PROPER field work under my belt, I can now have day 2's and am on my way to having my first girlfriend :D

For BL, have your friends video you unawares, you can video them, and show them, shit test each other, on the bus train. have conversations with yourself in the mirror, relax and monitor your BL, EC and other nonverbals, your smile also.

The bottom line is

TRY OUT AS MANY DIFFERENT THINGS AS POSSIBLE.

Student X...

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"..Carla was the prom queen."

"Really?"

"Yeah" (Cocks gun)


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