So here's my problem right now. I've been REALLY close friends with this HB9 with a personality to match for about a year now, and it's time to bring it to the next level.

She and I have had our share of deep conversations, and we are both comfortable enough to tell each other almost anything. I've slept at her place, she's met my family, I've met hers... the whole bit.

I have never shown a romantic interest in her before. She is sort of seeing this guy who treats her like crap and she's not exactly into him. Recently, I've begun to run routines on her.... my game has been golden, its the sort of game that you have when even YOU know youre doing great.

When I try it in person, she just laughs and acts like I'm being "silly". When I try a witty/flirty text message she'll ignore it.

This is one that I'm going to kick myself over if I don't give it everything I've got, but up until a few days ago I haven't really thought about going after her seriously.

Any advice? Thoughts?

Correct. Problem!

Comfort is good but it's difficult to build attraction over the top of comfort. The easiest way you will probably ignore - involves cutting communications.

I guess what you're looking to do is subtly increase the attraction so as to not set alarm bells off with her. You've talked a lot, so do you know what her "type" is? Could you use a line to the effect of "So remember you told me your ideal man? You know that's me, right? It's a shame you're not my type." IE pointing out that she should be attracted to you and letting her imagination dwell on that...

How do you know you're doing great if she ignores/brushes it off? Why has there been no romantic interest until now? Do you simply feel that she should be treated better than she is (good friend)?

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Cutting off all lines of communication could work, but I'd have to avoid her calls as well.... and it would have to be a few months without ANY communication IMO.

The problem with my game on her is that she KNOWS what I do with women, and while it may work on a typical girl I just met, she sees right through it.
Their hasn't been any romantic interest until now because I simply wasn't into her in that way.

And I don't particularly think that I'm now going after her simply because of her current situation. It's just another road block that I'm going to have to drive straight through to get what I want.

What I'm looking for, are the big guns..... What do you guys use when all else fails?? I've never run into this problem before because normally if my routines don't have an effect I'll just move on to the next one. But this is different.

Do you know the October Man routine? If you use any NLP in your game you should try to find the Routine, I found a copy on a torrent site.

You could use the guise of practicing the techniques with her to improve your game. Be warned without NLP knowledge and practice you will probably fail, ALSO the October Man routine is intense and can really fuck a person up...but when executed properly it will work.

Also try soul gazing before you use the October Man...it can help to build rapport while relaxing the lady and bonding the two of you (all requisite to the success of the October Man).

But if you aren't into NLP...I got no clue

It sounds like you are going to have to be upfront and direct about this. As you have to tell her that you want to be more than friends. But I have a feeling from your first post that she wants to remain friends and nothing more.

Now assuming you feel you are in the so called LJBF zone

Now credits to chief and I think it was Beschatten for this, they have converted me to the belief that there is no LJBF zone. Its just a way of saying you are not a potential suitor for me.

Now here is were I differ to most PUAs that suggest you should just try and gradually build some attraction and show some subtle differences. My feelings are that if you weren't a suitable suitor before you need to show her you are different now. Often just trying to gradually build up attraction makes her feel uncomfortable if you are the same guy she has pidgeon holed as not suitable. Im not sure how appropraite this is depending on how much contact the two of you regularly have.

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Note to self: Reffering to Chief by something other than his name has the knock on effect of strolling into the chat room and being asked; 'Crumpetberry are you a single hippie looking for a man'

I'll have to look into that. I've never been very good at NLP, but it's a very powerful tool to use.

Nice insight, Ace.

During the school semesters we see each other on a daily basis. But now that it's summer and she and I have different hometowns it gets cut back to maybe once a week.... give or take.

I'm going to look into the NLP routines, and if I'm not completely sure that my NLP game is strong enough yet I'm just going to cut off all communication and start over in September.

GATA

Inorder for NLP to work you really have to believe in that shit (and so does she). Without the basic belief that NLP is real and does work you will never get anywhere using it

...the soul gazing isn't as hard (in soul gazing both people's body's sink into the same rythm [inhale/exhale together] or counter rythm [when you inhale she exhales].

From the looks of it you have about 3-4 weeks to get it down.

The Octoberman Sequence can be found here; http://www.mininova.org/tor/523889

BUT USE THIS AS A LAST RESORT... the last thing you want to do is fuck this girl up.

I really wouldn't recommend the OMS especially in this situation, by all means look into it just so you have knowledge of what it is. But using it on a friend you have known for a long time would not in my opinion yield good results for either of you.

I would however recommend generally looking into NLP even if not directly related in a PUA fashion.

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Note to self: Reffering to Chief by something other than his name has the knock on effect of strolling into the chat room and being asked; 'Crumpetberry are you a single hippie looking for a man'

I always here how OMS can "fuck someone up", what do you mean by that.

And btw, thanks for all of your help!

I was going to post my own topic but i have a similar problem with GATA and i need help.

This hot ass russian girl somehow got invited to my graduation party and was eye-ing me all night (friends account). We ended up playing pool - i dhv'd a bit, kino'd, used ringfinger routine and got the number close.

Day 2 - Bowling and a drink
Usual stuff, teasing, bet on a couple of the games, lots of innocent kino at the start like stomach poking, then more hand and arm touching at the bar.

At what i though was a good time (eyes locked for about 30 seconds) i used mystery's "do you want to kiss me routine" i got a NO - i followed up with shutting her down and started another dhv story. Later she said she never kisses on the first date.... oookay so no kiss close on the day 2.
As we were walking back to my car i was holding her hand with little to know pressure being applied back by her - so i used a "push" and let go.

I was perplexed because i got a few IOIs and believed she was having a great time talking with me - so i was lost.

TODAY - Day 3
She invited me to go to the beach with her. A woman next to her asked if i was her bf and she said "no, just a friend" I was off of my game and applied little to no kino during the date. Neither of us had sunscreen so i couldnt even use that as a kino starter. We walked around a bit went swimming for a while and then left 90 minutes later with a kiss on the cheek.

I am a bit lost as to whether or not she is in to me, is conservative, or i'm going into the friend zone. Can anyone help with kino escalation? We have a date planned for this Sunday - minigolfing

You're deep in the friend zone. Unless SHE is giving concrete signals that she wants to be more than friends then you're good, but if not, which is what I'm getting from this, you may as well move on. No HB 9 is worth waiting 5-6 months for, just so you can start attracting her. There's plenty of fish in the sea and there's no reason why you can't get an HB 10.

Make the most of your situation. She's your friend! I have lots of female friends who I take to clubs/parties with me and we all hang out. When you do this they become DHVs to every other woman in the room. They see you being buddy-buddy with your HB 9 and it will make them want you more. Never downplay the power of a pivot; I've seen guys in the middle of crashing and burning in a set. I noticed this happening with one of my frat bros and I practically shoved one of my gfs over to him and told her to keep him company. My friend starts talking to him and one of the girls in his set places herself between him and my friend. From then on the set was 800% more into my bro than before.

Long story short, she's not worth it. Definitely not worth losing a friend over. Treat it like a blessing in disguise, which it is.

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If my post made me appear homosexual, I want you all to know that prior to sitting down at my computer I slammed 15 shots of whiskey, went balls-deep into my woman, and recited Clint Eastwood lines for 20 minutes.

Ok so here's an update:

We went out to dinner and still no kiss close just kiss on the cheek. During dinner she did list to me all the attractive things about me and then gave me IOIs.

Two nights later she calls me asking me out to the movies for the following night. At this point I'm guessing she considers this just a friendship but w/e an HB9 for a friend has got to be a good thing.

Here is the weird thing. I call her the next day to confirm movies for that night - No call back. I call her the day after to see whats up - no pickup - so instead of a voicemail i hung up and sent a text immediately afterwards :
"Hey, didn't catch you. Just wondering what my favorite brat was up to"

Still no call back - it has been 5 days since i called with no return call.

At this point i am just forgetting about her, and i went sarging last night. But here is the question i have for any of you that want to help. If she DOES call wtf do i say? I'm pretty annoyed by her, but damn she could definitely help me out in the field.

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