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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:45 am 
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Hey,
I'm no good at small talk. I never have been. I don't know why this is. Sometimes I think it's cuz I lead a kind of boring life (I work from home), but then again without boasting I have a lot of interesting parts to my character (I used to study Fine Art, I am a professional poker player for the last 3 years, I am launching my own business soon and have been travelling/living in different cities for the past nearly 1 year).

Again without boasting or whatever, I find that a lot of girls are physically attracted to me (I'm 9.3 on Hot or not :wink: ), so initiating contact and interest aren't difficult. But it's what comes after that that gets tough.

I find myself at a loss for things to say and I hate when I find myself doing the boring conversation lines "so where are you from" blah blah.

And then comes the vicious cycle of "Oh, I should probably say something now. Shit, what should I say? Shit, she knows that I'm trying to think of something to say"..."So, ugh, do you come here often" :shock:

Any help appreciated! :o


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Reading helps, the more you know, the more you can talk about, plain and simple.


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Pro poker player certainly gives you something unique to talk about and launching a business can be a huge DHV because it shows you have your own life, are independent, and have vision.

Truth is no one is really a bad conversationalist some people just don't know how to go about it. Here is a simple technique I give to a lot of people that I have have cultivated from personal experience which makes a night and day difference.

Leave a lot of things open-ended in the discussion for her to be curious about (women are naturally curious). Make sure you give away as little at a time as possible so she has something to be curious about and get involved with. Also fill whatever you say with colorful emotion to make her constantly feel.

Instead making her sit there listening to you rant "I went to Vencice, Italy it was beautiful. I just spent two weeks there and we did X1, X2, X3, X4, X5."

Try like this...

You: “I just got back to the States”
Her: “Oh cool! Where did you go?”
You: “I went to Italy it was beautiful – We went hiking on some of the most amazing golden brown mountains in the world. there was gorgeous fields and mountains and immaculate architecture that just swept me away like nothing has ever done in my life.”
Her: “That sounds really amazing. What part did you go to?”
You: “Venice, I got to do some really wild stuff”
Her: “Cool! like what?”

It's even more ideal if you can start on something, get a woman wrapped in it and then end a convo and leave her wondering about how it ended(and thinking about you)

With this you can make a conversation that would otherwise be boring (you ranting about your trip) into an engaging and interactive story which she feels like she Is having input on even if you’re really controlling the conversation.

Another great advantage to this is that you leave her wondering (woman can’t walk away from curiousity like men can) and she will feel compelled to act upon that curiosity.


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read up on current events and celebrity information...

Keep up with the latest info, and might not be a bad idea to pick up an issue of cosmos :P

You could always try playing a game, and make sure you keep up the cocky and funny routine.


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that will be pretty easy after youve gotten it. Im good at this, so heed my word and bear with my around-the-bush-explanations.

1) you lack practice. simple stuff first.

its not because youve supposedly lived a boring live, nobody really cares how you live your life.

I think theres a misconception hidden in your thinking.

Smalltalk isnt really about exchanging interesting information, not about impressing or entertaining, its about making social noises.

The model in my head is like this:

First level, there is protocol smalltalk, I think you would do good to learn this first. Theres a bunch of nobodyreallycarestoomuch questions for every kind of situation.

example, you meet at the watercooler:

"*slightsmile* Where are you from?" <- hello ive noticed you im making contact
"im from blabla, where are you from?"
"aha blabla. im from bliblu. and how long will you stay here?"
"i will stay here for a month"
"aha. and after that?"
and so on, close with "im Einstein *handshake*"

this is the most basic. its easy, still youve got to be able to do this for like 5 minutes imho to be socially fluid.

notice :
the infos delivered are not interesting
it serves the function of "I know you"
its in its nature rapport seeking
you dont have to be smart or anything
IT DOESNT MATTER MUCH WHAT YOU SAY, YOU JUST WANT TO SEEM LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING.

now you could say "but this is boring and im not attracting her" and your probably right. think of it as fundament. you dont need to add in that much spice to make her feel good about you. you need to get social with a girl to hit on her (often you can do both but you dont need to), because else shell have some gut reaction to walk away * awkardness of the situation - your first impression. Still you could just add "oh your from blabla, visit me at saturday ill give a traditional english dinner" and this would convert in some
dates = her neediness * your presentation
and/or you could use her reaction to build attraction.

While your talking for the first while her feelings (some adrenalin) will come from your approach("a guy approached me"). Those feelings tickle down if youll talk to long like this youll bore her. If id talk like that straight I would probably do it for like 1 minute and my mainreason would be that I want to do something hardcore after that and I want the impression to be normal first. Some comefort, some feeling the person out. Or I might do it because I was too lazy too think of anything.

2) Spice - Breaking Rapport, and bantering with material she gives you

now here you guys have a misconception imho.
reading up on current events (and cosmos is great fluff talk), is one of many ways to variate protocol and stretch it, BUT IT DOES NOT CREATE ATTRACTION.
thinking that you have to say interesting facts is an evil evil evil mistake that can cause you problems. If you get good at this (and only this) you might be able to stretch a conversation for very long but they will not be interested in you but in your material. (with some modifications it could be otherwise)

talking about emotions openly, communicating feelings but facts is also, to some part a variation of protocol, but more so something you can do well dosed to build rapport. You should be saying "I like..." and "I feel..." every now and then but that alone DOES NOT CREATE ATTRACTION, (with some exceptions where showing emotions proves strength), it might turn her off, it is seeking rapport too. (seeking rapport is nothing bad, just too much of it indicates your weak)

so get this, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT A CHICK IMPORTANT EVENT OR ABOUT YOUR MOST EXCITING ADVENTURE AS WELL ABOUT HOW YOU LIKE BLACK SHOE LACES MORE THAN BLUE. thats not the important part. the chick thing might be better if you need to gather attention of a girl group (because you need attention to exist in their reality), your most exciting adventure to when your in comfort and sharing something thats important to you, blacksholaces whenever you get a chance to tell this without being awkward / out of place (unless you know something good to follow up using this reaction), whatever whenever.

what I suggest is breaking rapport:

"whats your name" <- seeking
"HB, whats your name" <-seeking
"Superman, do you have classes in the morning?" <- seeking (if your name is in fact superman)
"yeah..." <- loosing interest
"..." <- not knowing what to say
"eh, so how old are you?" <- seeking, out of discomfort
"thats a secret." <- BREAK, those things are usually best said deadpan
"why?" <- test maybe, usually they are already grinning, here the emotions start building
"you cant ask a man his age"
"hahaha" <- shell usually be laughing, if not your still on the right track, shell be feeling some adrenaline some attraction

notice:
your communicating "i dont care, im having fun"
higher status
they might not get it and get irritated, maybe think you are offending her (in which case shell look a little bit like you hit her)
usually theyll feel A in response

simpler example, if your name is NOT superman:
"whats your name"
"my name is superman *handshake*, whats yours"

"where are you from"
"im from jamaica(unhip white skinny guy in shorts)"

You get how this is done? just dont answer the question, bullshit her have fun whatever dont do what would be expected of the nice guy. this can be done active also or amplified through some form of delay or surprise factor

active:
"hey, hey, hello? Oh, im sorry, I cant talk to you right now (because *neg*)"

"hey hello? Oh wait, I cant be seen talking with you... because im too cool"

delay:
"and how are you feeling here?"
"i dunno, im kinda proud to have made it that far"
"yeah, thats pretty impressive... (<- rapportseekpretend swing ->) ... for such an old woman"

just be careful with their egos, read the situation, the person and your relation to her. try around. if you fuck up id recommend to swing back to protocol for a while because nothing good will happen if they dont feel respected.

ADVANCED:

the interesting thing is how you follow those muws up. girls will very often but not always follow up on this stuff themselfs because they a) like it and want more b) want to make sure how you meant that c) maybe its testing.
you can say to pretty much everything: I wont tell you. / its a secret / your not allowed to ask that / I wont answer.
in the worst case scenario theyll understand this as "i dont want to talk to you" and youll have to repair(make sure they get it as a joke or continue with something else, the goal is to leave their egos as unhurt as possible while not beeing wussy). usually theyll hear "i wont do protocol with you, its on"
if its the first time your doing that its rare for them not to ask "why" and i think they are thinking "oh, ist it ON?".
now you just need to pretend you know what you are doing. "yeah. its ON."

"whats your name?"
"i wont tell you"
"why?"
"because its a secret"
and now youll need to react according to her reaction. one might be "ohhh its a secret, what a piity" <- aha so its on

now your options are
A) use here reaction, and build more emotion
B) start some other muw
C) do nothing special

doing nothing is kind of the most interesting option I think. you could just continue talking protocol now (or disappear for now), eventhough this isnt optimal because i wouldnt expect her to feel a lot now, but its not bad, shes going to remember that so maybe theres some value in her anticipating and i think she is likely to fall back on you not telling you her name later. but I think thats too early to fall back. just keep in mind whenever some play does get uncomfortable or you get stuck you can just leave it be.

usually id ask her her name now. Which is fooling with her("i wont tell you my name, whats your name?"), kind of challenging.

"whats your name?"
"im... wait, im not telling you!"
"oh, youre too smart for me!"

"whats your name?"
"im lisa"
"ahaha, you told me"
"how funny."
"okay okay, now i should tell you my name"
"ok whats your name?"
"i wont tell you. ahahahaha!"

"how old are you?"
"i wont tell you?"
"why?"
"you cant ask a guy his name!"
"no thats just woman"
"ok, how old are you?"
"im... i wont tell you!"
"oh your too smart for me"
"how old do you think I am?"
"...48...no wait, ...24!"
"thats about right"
"ohhhhh, that means your much older!"

you can keep this stuff going as long as you can in my experience it lasts 1 - 30 minutes. than you can just talk about whatever you want to, some easy rapport comes nice here, usually talking will be very intuitive here because you just had fun together. make a muw whenever you feel the time is right again or have a good idea. dont let her run out of A, but dont forget to connect also, find out a little bit about her, tell her a little bit about you, do some casual touching. but thats not really smalltalk anymore.


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great post trece!

very insightful


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