Hi everyone.

I think that I deserve to post here because I have been on 5 dates this months, all through cold approach pick-up, where I wanted to get a kiss close but couldn't. I still don't know how to go about this.

I have been able to sustain their interest, have interesting conversations and even talk about relationships but no matter what, I have not been able to get a kiss.

If you think 5 dates isn't enough for me to post here, I will go out and go on more dates.

But I would like to know what I could be doing wrong with these girls that I cannot get a kiss.

Thanks,

BG

Usually when you can't get a kiss it's because of not escalating. Conversation with emotional stimulation, eye contact, and kino are usually the basics to that recipe.

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I make good eye contact with the girls.

Where can I learn about emotional stimulation and kino?

Step 1: study on ways to physically escalate

Step 2: go to a night club

Step 3: escalate on every girl you like

Step 4: end the madness and have dates that lead to sex

You can solve this sticking point within one weekend

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All of my work, all of it, has been day game.

Maybe that's why.

Perhaps I should plan to go to a nightclub

I don't want to turn his into a night vs day game but I find this soooooo common that day gamers that seem to rely too on verbal game. Everytime they come to the club they complain about the noise etc. It's just a comfort zone thing...

Why don't you see it as a good thing? Using girls in clubs as PRACTISE for the dates from day game?

I'm kinda the opposite, escalation is my strong point. Connecting with women not so much. I find the escalating gets me laid more than going for phone numbers...

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There are plenty of posts on kino...just do a search.

When I speak of emotional stimulation, I'm saying when you have conversations that you should talk to her about things that invoke an emotion and use that to relate to her. If she feels that you understand her at a deeper level than "other guys" it's going to create a bond between the two of you.

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On the date, whether you're on a walk or sitting next to her at some café or restaurant. Always position yourself so that you are next to her so that can touch and escalate. Never sit across from her the entire time. At first, it might be wise to sit across from her until you break the ice and make her feel comfortable in your company As Style mentioned.. at some point get up to use the toilet, and when you come back sit down next to her. Don't ask, just do it and say "I think it looks more comfortable over here", maintain good eye contact with a slight, sly grin... as you are sitting down next to her, lightly stroke her lower back for just a second until you are fully seated. Then withdraw your hand and wait a minute or two before your next touch.

To go for the kiss, you need to lead the conversation to the topic of relationships, then mention one girlfriend who was a terrible kisser. And she was also terrible in bed. say "you can tell a lot about how making love with someone will be based on how they kiss. If a person is a bad kisser, chances are they will be a bad lover. For me, I hate it when people do the tongue tornado... sucking winds and precipitation... slobber all over my face... No, me... I like to take my time with a kiss.. softly rub my lips against hers... massage her tongue gently, yet passionately... slowly at first, and never too fast."

What you're doing here is getting her imagination going. By talking about how you like to kiss, she is imagining it in her mind, and if she's attracted to you--she's imagining what it's like to kiss you.

Then you ask her, "What kind of kisser are you?"

Or, "Do you think you're a good kisser?"

Eye contact. Sly grin. Look at her lips, then back to her eyes. Do all this while you're already moving in slowly for the kiss. Do not break eye contact until she meets you for the kiss. Then kiss her as described above.

Length of first kiss: If you're in a setting where sex is possible, escalate gradually until you get it done.
If sex is not possible, such as a public place, keep the first kiss at about 10 seconds.

Break off, pull back as slowly as you leaned in. Grin. Probably, she will say something like "So, how was that?" At which point you can either A) neg her, "Eh... not bad... for a blonde(or nationality, or punk girl, or whatever) Or go for a second kiss by saying with a confused expression on your face, "You know.. I can't remember... I think I need to refresh my memory" Then go for a quick 3 second kiss, afterwards saying "Aaah.. yeah now I remember! Pretty damn good!" Big shit eating grin.

If she doesn't say anything after the kiss, simply say "You pass" and give her a thumbs up.

Good hunting.

-Derron Fox

Thanks for this Derron. Was looking just for something like that. Totally giving it a go next time.

Cheers mate.. good luck, and let me know how it goes

-Fox

great post!

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Wow! I hope I remember this one!!!!!

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Did exactly what Derron told me and im 2 for 2. With that said, some planning may be required.

Found a place with booths that is typically quiet. Sat across from them and flirted for an hour or so. One I said something along the lines of "my ass hurts, I want to sit on the booth" and just went over. The other I just went over and said "Sorry, what did you say, it's kind of hard to hear you. Kept strong eye contact and acted as if it was no big deal that I went over and sat right next to her. Didn't even address it really. They know. You know. They know you know. They know you know you know. But if you're a bitch, nothings going to happen anyway, so just do it.

I found once they don't recoil in the slightest from my hand on their back, or even feel slightly nervous (you can tell, a lot of times they will actually kind of push into it and accept it), then I go for the kiss. Usually I just look into their eyes and get lost in them. I dont hear anything they said and I just stop talking. I do this when they are talking. I let myself just get lost in their eyes and beauty and smile in the way they know I want them. Of course this isnt a right away thing because they need to think they won you over. I don't care what they say. Obviously you can't do this if they talking about something serious, but if it's just small talk, go for it. You care about what they are saying, but just can't help yourself. Slowly lean in and they will go for it if the spark is there. Honestly, a kiss isn't a big deal. Think how many times girls just make-out because they want to. A girl will realize quickly if there's a connection. You don't have to worry about being like "Oh, I need to DHV or MPG or RFI. Okay, im just making up acronyms now. I think the lesson here is to just go for it. Maybe 1/10 will react poorly, but 2/10 will take it further than they would've should you not have kissed them. Expected value. Duh.

Another important thing is to not try to push it past what they are comfortable with. If they just want a quick peck on the lips, feel them pulling back after it and resume talking as if nothing happened. I think the entire point is to make it feel super natural and that it's not a big deal. You are attracted to each other and you just had to kiss her. Great, you will have another chance, so don't overdo it.

Thoughts?

Nice!! Glad to help! You're right about kissing not being important. Chicks kiss random dudes all the time if they're in the mood for it... you just have to get them in the mood for it.

However, kissing is also VERY important. Some girls have told me that kissing is even more intimate for them than sex (I'm guessing whoever they were fucking isn't very good)

Any other questions?

Which of these things cannot be done with her friends?

Are you GOING FOR THE KISS? And what are they doing when you do this?

You don't necessarily go from talking about "interesting topics" to just kissing a girl like that. I mean you could, but theres usually some subtle build up. Theres touching going on before hand. Some light shoulder rubs, hand brushes etc. There almost always some type of minor escalation. Whether through vibe, whether verbally, or physically. And this can happen quick or it can take foreever. It can take you anywhere from 5 seconds to 5 weeks to kiss a girl depending on the rate your moving at.

The " I want you" vibe from a deep place of confidence is powerful. You have to WANT her. You have to really want her, from a place of certainty and confidence. Its a feeling. If you just think she's cute, if you have no real desire for her, you want have the motivation present to take the action needed.

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