I just wanted to know if my mindset towards night gaming needs to change, I noticed that when I go sarging I'm always aiming towards a lay and If I see a set that seems it won't provide that I just bail..and then it hit me..I've been doing this for like 5 month now and the number of number closings vs lays is really really puny I don't even have it in the back of my head to get a number close. I always thought that night gaming you go for a kiss close and hopefully a lay, but could this mindset be bad? what do you guys think?

One-night stands are rare. Normally you only can meet a girl at the bars and hang out with her. You have to spend approx. 7 hours of face-time with the girl before you can get a lay, given that your game is tight. All you need to change is your expectations and maybe work on your game a bit more. K-closes don't mean a thing.

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Buddy... for me, night game is just target practice. I like it because it is harder, the reactions are more extreme, and groups of young chicks are stupid as hell.

Here... try this one. If you are alone (I basically only go out solo since the beginning) and you find a group of young hotties... rather than trying to get laid, focus on the whole group, turn up the heat until they start making out with each other. I personally can't handle 6 girls at once. There are always betas in the group that like me and fuck it up in the name of protecting their hot friends. So fuck it. Mess with people. hehehe. Self amusement. It's their own damn fault for showing an approach tell.

wow, I never thought that one night stands were rare to begin with..I've been reading now Richards book about natural game and he basically implies that you can game a girl for an hour or so and then get either laid or make out and number close. I've been doing this for a short period, and I only sarge 2-3 days a week due to being busy with studies and out of the 2-3 times each week 1 is a score. Guaranteed that a week can go by where I only K-close then that's it or even nothing happens, but I never thought it wasn't even normal to hook up with a girl in a night club on a night out. Rather disappointed here Does everyone else feel the same?

Apocalypse for SNL its a hit or miss and is a numbers game. Mystery's approach is more traditional, particularly if you want a GF.

It's a number game for sure, thing is I don't understand why would it be rare if you go out from 10-3:00 am and go to like 2-3 different clubs and still not get a lay if you have a solid game. I basically approach at bars at the start of the night to get warmed up with my wingman and then we hit 2-3 different clubs and go from there. I'm not saying i'm a pro gamer, but I wanted more insight on why would you guys say its rare, because over here in edinburgh that's usually the mindset of PUA's i've met who nightgame, they game to get laid at the same night they are out, and plus the girls over here specially if you go to clubs with international crowds, you're most likely to hit the jackpot if gamed right. Thanks for the feedback till now, but would like more insight please

The thing with getting laid is that there are a number of variables you have to deal with.

Things like logistics can make or break a game...one of my girlfriends told me that once, when she was at a house party, in a bedroom with a guy that she wasn't particularly attracted to, he made the moves, and she just said 'fuck it' and had sex with him. On the other hand, you could build an incredible connection with a girl, but if you've got a 45 minute trip to get back to your bed, chances are its not going to happen. Its why at university, loads of people hook up...they are all very close together etc

The mindset of the girl is important as well. Is she emotional? has she just broken up with someone? is she in a bad mood? Does she have low self esteem? All these things will influence the chance of a SNL/ONS. Social constraints is another one (slut shaming etc)

I've also read something about Rich saying he has had sex with around 100 girls...which is a fair amount, but kind of unexpected when you think how long he has been gaming...but to be honest, his PUA style has always been about securing a date more than trying to get laid...and thats the mindset you should have. Go out to meet people..and if you hit it off, set up a date with them. That way, at the end of the night, you don't feel like you have achieved nothing.

Or look for signals about if girls are down to fuck...pretty sure there will be a list of 'signs' on this forum or on Gamblers website

Yeh that's right dude. Groups of young chicks are as stupid as hell. Play mind games with them, make fun of them, mess with their heads for your own self amusement because none of them want you. Most of you on here are nothing but misogynistic, sexist, childish, fucking little creeps. If groups of young chicks are so stupid how come they never let that fucking nut job in the fucking door on campus. You know the one. Couldn't get a girlfriend or get laid so all girls MUST DIE. Seems to me they were much smarter than him. So keep thinking girls are beneath you to make yourself feel better, you fucking silly little child. See where that gets you.

If everyone is smiling and having fun, I imagine they'd give as little shit about your opinion as I do. Young girls flutter around me like moths at a porch light. Smart, cool ones. If I hated them, they'd know it. I've even planted the idea by telling them my plan... in exactly the same wording as I used here. It's a bad boy move. Your little "white knight" shtick wouldn't cut it anyway. A girl is sophisticated and savvy, but as a group, the dynamics are a nightmare. This is basically an axiom. Add some booze and you have a group of giggling, silly young woman being awesome and having fun. Letting go. Having girls feel comfortable and safe being sexy and free from judgment is not the act of a misogynist. Feeling they have permission to act "stupid" or "dopey" with, around, and for me is where it gets me.

What's your play, Digital_Spy? See a group of young hot girls and ask them to play a game of canasta? Your hero persona is a fuck'n joke. Not to mention beta protector bullshit whereby you try to save them from this mean guy that they mistakenly like instead of you... and they should like you more... because you nice, and you understand them, and if only they knew the real you... You're one of the 10 saps a night I blow off.

Digital spy is just a bit frustrated that she had sex with a 'PUA' that didn't call her back.. Understandable.

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LOL! is it actually a "her" or a he just acting like one?

Whooaa chill guys/gals I was just asking a normal question no need to bash and yes it's not good to look at girls as (stupid material for fun), and I bet that's not what mastermind or anyone here meant..thanks for the input though guys I just went out yesterday and got a sweet lay from a polish girl, will post the lay report later