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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

It is NOT a point where you get stuck with ONE SPECIFIC GIRL.

A Sticking Point is:
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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
A Sticking Point is NOT:
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
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If you have not already gone out and practiced enough to have a real Sticking Point from meeting an ABUNDANCE of women, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO POST HERE.



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:15 pm 
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Hey there,

Ive been in this PUA thing for a while, reading and learning from all the places I can. I really consider the inner game the key thing of everything and most of my work is oriented towards improving it to have good frame control and demonstrate value to myself and the rest.

I entered a new class last year and spent the whole year building a nice image of myself. I had no problem on "taking control" of the class: Im quite popular, outgoing, friendly with everyone, networked quickly and showed myself as a fun loving guy organizing and preparing all the class parties and meetings. This undoubtley scored me a lot of points since I showed value and social value from the very begining.

Now the reason why I opened this...

I liked this girl particulary, but I thought I got clear IOIs from her friend. I didnt mind this since that will help me get more and more value + might help me get some other chick different than the girl I liked (plenty of good stuff there, believe me). The girl showing IOIs to me (hugging me, grabbing my hand, laughing at every single thing I said, looking for my attention) was not particulary pretty but I liked her attention for the reasons previously exposed.
Now the thing is that the other day after a class party we were hitting this pub and the girl mentioned was walking next to me talking and talking and holding my arm. I was like "Yes, I know you want to get into my pants but I wont let you" and politely chatting but not flirting or anything.
At one moment of the conversation she says: "I was speaking with **** (her friend I like) the other day and we both agreed that you're a great bloke. I said to her that I like your ways I can say I like you!" and she huged me.

This was weird, because she clearly said it on a friendly way. Altough it could be another IOI, I finally understood that that was impossible since during the summer she started dating some other guy from the class!!!!
So I instantly understood that she was percieving me as a good guy, the listener, the friendly and polite lad that you want to talk with but not shag. And probably her friend thinks the same (since she said they both agreed!).

This is not new for me. Before getting into the PUA thing, I used to have 0 problem on talking to girls and developing nice connections with them but was unsuccessfull on closing the deal being friend zoned over and over, and now, after all this work and knowldege acquired it seems that I havent improved a bit on that area!!

I built myself a nice image of myself, for me and for the rest of them. I have good talking skills and demonstrate value each time I can on a very disguised way (not the too cocky approach most of the guys will try). I have a rich life full of entertainment and I enjoy myself every time I can, but I still cant get sexually liked by the girls (and Im not ugly at all! I really consider myself a good-looking lad). So whats the story? Where am I failing? What would you suggest me to try?

Thanks in advance for your advice


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:56 pm 
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It sounds like you don't make the next move. You talk about the IOI's and all of a sudden, you move to a different night. Then she gives more IOI's, but then you find out information of something else.
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I was like "Yes, I know you want to get into my pants but I wont let you" and politely chatting but not flirting or anything.
This sentence sums it up to me. Your mistake is politely chatting and not flirting.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:13 am 
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In general you need to escalate more, my basic program is tease to get the social comfort and get a little attraction going, then qualify and tease untill I get to comfort, once I'm in comfort I'm looking for any and every oppertunity to escalate to a kiss and then sexually as fast as possible. If you spend to much time in comfort you get stuck in the friend zone.

Now with this girl you need to man up and tell her you are interested in her intimately, and she still may want to keep you in the FZ, and just roll with it, but then from that point you just keep letting her know that you are attracted to her, but game other girls in front of her, she will see that you are wanted by other women and it more then likely will make her want to re think the friend zone thing ;).


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