I am a pretty good looking guy, I have a nice car, own a company, have a nice place, dress very well. I have issues with my game. My firast sticking point is approaching women in loud bars. I have such a hard time going up to a woman and knowing what to say especially since the place is so loud. Recently, I had a house party and my roomate brought a friend who is a hb10. I ran some game on her, lots of negs, witty banter, tried to DHV with what I could drop, my problem is that Im too nice. I tried escalating Kino with touching and stuff but there was never a moment that I thought, wow its clicking. I pulled out my best game (Best friend test, chick crack, etc)and nadda.

Its like I Know game and what the steps are but when im in the context of the situation it never flows right and clicks, Like Her attraction switch never gets flipped. I think thats my biggest sticking point, I dont UNDERSTAND how attraction works. I know you have to heighten emotion, DHV, neg her, Etc. But those to me are all just words and routines. The whole Theory of flipping her attraction switch I dont quite understand. This always seems to happen. I could run an entire 10 minute routine right outta the book and use everything but it just doesnt click, you know? What am I doing wrong? How can I better understand how to attract a woman in Theory rather than just regurgitating routines?

In a loud bar, eye contact should be your opener. Ditch the canned lines if they aren't working for you. Use eye contact to get her attention and once you have that it will be easier to open. You can literally talk about anything, it doesn't need to be routines, you might come across as a bit contrived after a while if everything is so obviously part of your game. Try and take more of a natural approach.

Sounds like you need to use a bit of push-pull to develop the attraction. Ask her some things about herself, about the place, a funny thing you've noticed (point out someone in the club and comment on them), then when she's getting interested in the conversation, tell her you have to go and catch up with your friends.

Later on when you see her again, don't initiate conversation again, literally take her hand and bring her with you to another part of the club or even the dancefloor. Start the seduction, as she's getting interested in that and you've got her in the palm of your hand, leave her again.

The next time you take her with you, she will trust you more and her friends will recognise you and see you're 'safe'. This is where you make a move and escalate the kino (although you should have been escalating the kino slightly throughout the whole interaction earlier in the night).

You got to make her feel safe with you but also like she's replaceable and that you aren't hanging on the hopes of being with her only.

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thanks for the advice. How do you go about making eye contact so that she notices you, it conveys sexuality and isnt creepy or too long?

If you're good at looking intense without creepy, it's a good way, but most people can't do it so well without being intimidating.

The easiest and best approach is to look approachable at first. If you catch her eye, maybe raise your drink to her, or point something out to her which looks interesting or funny. No need to think too much about it or over analyse the situation. Communicating without words shouldn't be too tough, you most likely do it most of your day, so this shouldn't be any different. You aren't going to build attraction with eye contact, there is no such thing as 'love at first sight', but it will make her feel slightly more comfortable about you approaching her since you've already interacted.

In my opinion, pickup in loud places like clubs is all about a series of interactions. You have the comfort of knowing she can't go too far and will most likely be there for a few hours. So where daygame fails, in needing to close something there and then, gaming at a bar or club allows you to have multiple interactions, building comfort and escalating slowly on each of these interactions.

Just don't over-think it. Confidence is the key and if you over-think things you will ruin your self-confidence and it will show

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yeah thats definitely one of my sticking points. i always overthink things and im always worried im gonna mess it up and it screws up my confidence.

Everyone messes up at some point. It's just part of the learning experience, fearing rejection will stay as a sticking point until you overcome it by getting rejected and not giving a shit. You're surely doing all this because you think it will be fun, so learn to enjoy it and only do things if they are fun for you. If you say something stupid and she reacts badly, laugh it off. At the very least you will have a funny story to tell your mates.

Check this one out... it was almost a decade ago now. I was in the college canteen and this girl I was certain had been giving me IOIs for weeks. So I decided to approach her. Went up to her and before I could barely even finish my first sentence, she screamed and ran away. Imagine the shame in a packed college canteen of that happening!

Well the fact is, no one actually noticed and now it's a funny story to tell people, so I'm glad it happened. I also then had no approach anxiety as I knew nothing would top that, and I could deal with that one.

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Also, you say you own your own company. I also own my own company, and let me tell you, nothing you ever find with women will be scarier than taking the plunge in your work life and starting a business. Women are humans, there is very limited amount of risk. Also, you will know from having your own company that the key to success is through failures and learning from them. Without failure, it is very difficult to sustainably succeed. Apply the same to pick-up.

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thanks man this is really great advice and that is a great story. I guess what I really need to do is approach 1000 girls and just get used to it because im still not. And your right about the business thing. Women are not as scary as opening a business. Let me ask you, How do you DHV with the fact that you own a business?

Simple answer, I don't.

Work is boring for someone else to hear about, no matter how much you dress it up as a DHV. Better to talk about something else. When they ask what you do, change the subject or make up a funny response. Only when they get to know you a bit more or really can't take the suspense anymore and want an answer from you, then you tell them. But you make sure you tell them in the most passionate "i love my life" type of way. Don't boast about it, don't make it an ego-trip, just show you're passionate about what you do and she will respect that. Then once you have told her and she's got her initial questions about your company out of the way, move onto something else and don't keep bringing it up

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There's your problem right there. Forget the routines. And screw theory. Get out of the bar. Start by saying hello to every single woman you see, no matter what. Just feel the vibe and go from there. Try and try and try again.