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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:33 pm 
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I find that I am having serious trouble kiss closing.
I'll isolate a girl in a spot where we are alone or atleast not surrounded by a whole lot of people this is sober by the way and not club game. We will be alone on the day 2 or 3 or whatever and I'll start to escalate get into her space and look into their eyes but they wont maintain eye contact with me. They will kinda look all around but at me or turn so as not to look at me. Now I'm getting IOIs and complaince from these girls but the eye contact to create that sexual contact wont be there.

How do i bridge the distance and get the kiss close?
what could be causing them to resist the close?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:28 pm 
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This sounds fairly straightforward if I understand it correctly. Your escalation is too fast. Getting solid eye contact early on is key. This establishes a pattern of interaction that you can rely on later.

Getting IOIs are also good and isolating is even better. But if you don't spend the time building trust and comfort in a more socially open environment first, those factors will start working against your game when you isolate to a more secluded location.

Failure to return eye contact is usually the first sign of turbulence and also an indication that you need to either pause your escalation or even take a step back.

Also, if building sexual tension via eye contact is giving you trouble, try switching to Mystery's kiss-close routine. That will first switch the focus of the interaction from you to her (because she has to think and answer your question) and also it has a slightly better contingency management plan.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:13 pm 
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I think it is an anti slut defense. She is thinking your going to kiss her. because your going to fast. Or missing something on a escalation ladder. Is your conversation sexual?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:32 pm 
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My guess is you are too serious, too intense. You need to be more playful to where she is flirting back. Try to do more kino before setting up the k-close.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:40 pm 
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I can lay a single guide for you to create a romantic moment, where she will (almost) certainly make eye contact for a kiss.
- Isolate the girl in a dark spot in the club (this creates privacy)
- As puaninja says, get some kino going on, but build it up. Touch her should, move from shoulder towards arm/elbow, and then take her hand. If she doesn't pushes it away, move on to the next step. If she pushes it away, take a step back, talk a bit, then try again. Wash rinse repeat.
- Good you have her hand. Don't act nervous when taking her hand. If she holds your hand, the eye contact should follow. If not, then it's not ready to kiss yet. There is one IOI for kissing which is squeezing hand. Squeeze back = kiss, no squeeze back is no kissing yet.
- Move close to her ear, and smell her hair. Tell in a seductive way: "Your hair smells good......, I love women that smell good" (whispering would be a perfect thing to do, if the sound level isn't high). Or else you say it normally, with a little pause.If she reacts good, move on to the next step. If she doesn't react good, take a step back, talk a bit, then try again. Wash rinse repeat.
- Optional: Another thing you can do is making a suggestion to hug each other. I've never been rejected a hug in my experience! The hug is strong kino, and when she puts her head on your chest, then she definately likes you.
- Now this is the best part. You know she's in for a kiss (if you did the steps right). What do you do? You put either your right or your left hand (doesn't matter which one) and put that on her cheek (right hand- right cheek and otherwise offc.) She feels the heat of your hand. NOW SHE WILL MOST PROBABLY PUT HER OWN HAND ON IT AND LOOK AT YOU, OR LOOK AT YOU RIGHT AWAY!. Eye-contact is made, and you go for the kiss, nice and slowly. You lead, she follows. Make sure your breath is cool and there you go.

This should make your sticking point fixed. It worked for me. No shitty Mystery pick-up line. Just romance. That's what they like.

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