WIth stranger I can OPEN but CAN'T CREATE A CLOSE! I eject after I feel the conversation is done with. Since it's freezing cold outside when I push carts. It's hard to have them stick around. So is there any PUA that's really good to help me in this area? Thanks! PEACE OUT!

However, what's funny is that people that I know and feel comfortable or have been seeing around for awhile I could GAME them very easily. How do I get over this sticking point? Thanks again!

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Right, if you push carts, I would start gaming somewhere else. They see you as the cart guy and thats a DLV (sorry man no offense). Basically, you need to sarge somewhere where you can dress and act like you are the prize.

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i personally think there are different ways to look at a given situation.. if u frame urself as below her (even though u are the 'cartguy') then yeh thats what ur gonna come across as. just project confidence and dw about it man just look at it as practice or even a challenge and open them anyway and just PUSH urself to make that close.

look at the positive side: the cold can be used as a false time-constraint in a way: "i only have a few minutes before i freeze my ass off, but i need ur opinion on something.." or alternatively use ur job as the cart guy to create a false time-constraint: "i dont have long cuz the manager might see me slacking off so just quickly what do u think about.. etc"

im having problems with this as well - cuz of my age im restricted only to sarging at malls during the day (or the occasional party) but yehh just FORCE urself to do it exactly the same way u forced urself to open ur first set when u started out in PU. even if it doesnt sound smooth or natural just make urself say those words.. as long as you've engaged her in a few minutes of interesting conversation or run a couple of routines on her in all probabilities u will at least get an email or maybe even her number regardless of whether ur the 'cartguy' or not.

if u look at the situation as bleak and unhelpable then thats what it is - just capitalize on the positive side of it.. just my two cents

good luck,
peace.

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