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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:06 am 
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I have gone through an evolution on Game. I was a normal shy AFC, then I got to the phase of being a cool guy on his own path, I then switched to a physical game, I then swapped to a pure verbal game, we see where this is going, right?

I have reverted to a phase of being a Dick when I am 'gaming' and an AFC when not. When I want to game I come in breaking rapport, hard. I insult, over-tease, and do so out of the blue without any real opening I jump into attraction and do so hard.

When I don't want to 'game' I am in my head, very AFC and introverted.

I dont know how to blend the level of being audacious and the level of being a normal guy.

I am skipping social comfort/nice-nice phase to get a surface connection in order to actually break rapport.

Any advice?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:43 pm 
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Hey, I mean if it works, right? That's what Sinn does. He tells them straight away he wants to get in their pants. Some girls either want a quick hook up, or don't mind it if it happens. Other girls want to get to know a guy first, and are put off by man whores who are just trying to have one night stands. That's why your strategy may work well in some instances, and not so well in others.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:52 pm 
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Hey bro, I'm the same way and there's nothing wrong with that. That's just our style of gaming, we're not the high-energy social beings that some natural can be. Just always remember your frame , don't think of it as being introverted, think of it as being higher value than others. Yeah, people will call you shy or something , and so what? As long as you're social with a lucky few, It will show that your time is very valuable to you. The people(girls especially ) that know you as that funny attractive guy will speak in your favor.

From here, you can continue to learn game in two very different ways. You can go down the path of that high value, cool guy, or you can expand your social game and be an alpha male of the group guy. The choice is yours good luck.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:41 pm 
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Everyones game evolves over time. As long as your "dick" behavior is getting you results, no worries. However, if you consistently get into AFC mode and it bothers you, it might be time to focus a little more on the technical aspects of your game- particularly building attraction and your self esteem.
Sounds like you are working with extremes here- Dick Mode vs AFC, which is not a balanced place to be. When your game is balanced, you should be able to get yourself out of AFC mode and either back into Dick mode or preferably, a more technical game where yu dont have to rely on a particular attitude to game.
Basically, if "Dick Mode' is your only way of gaming, you're not balanced and will lose a few closes/lays that you'd get otherwise.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:03 am 
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Thank you for the input thus far. Allow me to clarity. By AFC, I mean still social, but not good with women/attempting to pick them up. By default, if I get opened I do great.

The problem is a open by being a dick quite a bit. I dont like this style of game, I prefer it to be more playful. Maybe I have re-listened to a Sinn product too many times, I dont know. I just come off as dry, crass and dick like quite often when opening. It projects negativity. When I do this it is hilarious to everyone else near by and whom I am with, but my opening suffers.

As you guys touched upon I do VERY well with top notch looking women, those considered 8's and 9's (True tens are rare), but a girl with lower self esteem or who are shy either blow me out or get upset.

I act socially uncalibrated, I guess. Which is strange, I read body language very well but for some reason I do the opposite of what I know would work optimally.

I have been gaming enough to know what I am doing wrong. Posting about it helped, thank you fellas. I am skipping a proper opening.

I open with, "You wont even say excuse me?" while not being playful, it becomes dickery at its finest. I open first, throw a cold read, then drop a tease it works.

At some point we all try to refine what we do for efficacy, I took too much out.

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Try this. Mix your game up. Meaning don't try to be the witty, sarcastic, dick guy throughout your entire routine. It's okay to start out cocky funny, but once you get the set warmed up, become more of a friendly sincere guy. Then maybe go back to cocky/arrogant in order to break rapport, only to return to nice guy a moment later. Like someone said earlier, it's all about finding that right balance.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:52 am 
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Try this. Mix your game up. Meaning don't try to be the witty, sarcastic, dick guy throughout your entire routine. It's okay to start out cocky funny, but once you get the set warmed up, become more of a friendly sincere guy. Then maybe go back to cocky/arrogant in order to break rapport, only to return to nice guy a moment later. Like someone said earlier, it's all about finding that right balance.
That is the type of game I normally run. The problem is I pigeon hole a girl as a party girl and blaze in with neg's (I cringe to say I open with negs) and tend to get blown out way too often.

Great advice.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:27 pm 
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I do a similar thing sometimes. Hard teasing. It's not what you do that's the problem, it's why and how you do it.

The reason you do it is to lower their value, and raise yours. Lowering a chick's value is good when she's attracted to you, but when she's not, you just look like an asshole. She will think 'who the fuck is this guy? Does he think I'm gonna talk to him just cuz he publicly embarrassed me? Pffft'. Ask yourself if you think you're being a bit of a bully. You are missing out the crucial stage of BUILDING ATTRACTION. This lowers YOUR value.
There are some guys out there who go round saying loads of shit to women and make them feel bad. We've all seen those guys who go out and take their anger out on women and you end up looking like some loser who got his dick burnt and couldn't get over it.

Secondly, it suggests you are nervous. I know this because I do it when I'm nervous. Cocky mode kicks in to save you from not having something to say and gives you something that's not good to say. But you say it anyway, cuz it's better to say something awful than nothing at all, right? Wrong. Much better to say nothing than something counter-productive.
Women will pick up on this, and know you're not comfortable because you're just trying to impress the people watching you. Forget about your friends and the people you are with for 2 minutes and flirt. Wise man once said pickup is about having fun. Enjoy it. It's not a competition of who's the funniest or the most socially dominant. It is a 2 person journey towards what you both want, together. For me, great sex. For you , probably the same.

Back to the second point, if you can't control cocky mode, try smiling, laughing and getting physical when you say something. There's a big difference between someone who likes to insult and someone who likes to tease. If you're concerned with coming off as negative, then it's simple as fuck. Be more positive.

One more thing. Another reason you do this is cuz you feel like you have to 'earn' the right to talk to a certain women(z) by showing them how confident/cocky you are. Try going direct and just talking to them like a normal person would.

You sound a bit like me, which makes me feel like less of a dick, and now hopefully you do too. Good luck :P

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:23 am 
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I do a similar thing sometimes. Hard teasing. It's not what you do that's the problem, it's why and how you do it.

The reason you do it is to lower their value, and raise yours. Lowering a chick's value is good when she's attracted to you, but when she's not, you just look like an asshole. She will think 'who the fuck is this guy? Does he think I'm gonna talk to him just cuz he publicly embarrassed me? Pffft'. Ask yourself if you think you're being a bit of a bully. You are missing out the crucial stage of BUILDING ATTRACTION. This lowers YOUR value.
There are some guys out there who go round saying loads of shit to women and make them feel bad. We've all seen those guys who go out and take their anger out on women and you end up looking like some loser who got his dick burnt and couldn't get over it.

Secondly, it suggests you are nervous. I know this because I do it when I'm nervous. Cocky mode kicks in to save you from not having something to say and gives you something that's not good to say. But you say it anyway, cuz it's better to say something awful than nothing at all, right? Wrong. Much better to say nothing than something counter-productive.
Women will pick up on this, and know you're not comfortable because you're just trying to impress the people watching you. Forget about your friends and the people you are with for 2 minutes and flirt. Wise man once said pickup is about having fun. Enjoy it. It's not a competition of who's the funniest or the most socially dominant. It is a 2 person journey towards what you both want, together. For me, great sex. For you , probably the same.

Back to the second point, if you can't control cocky mode, try smiling, laughing and getting physical when you say something. There's a big difference between someone who likes to insult and someone who likes to tease. If you're concerned with coming off as negative, then it's simple as fuck. Be more positive.

One more thing. Another reason you do this is cuz you feel like you have to 'earn' the right to talk to a certain women(z) by showing them how confident/cocky you are. Try going direct and just talking to them like a normal person would.

You sound a bit like me, which makes me feel like less of a dick, and now hopefully you do too. Good luck :P
If you are like me, you have issues. :wink:

Going out since I posted this helped me get a grasp on things.

My observations:

1. I openly insult some girls
2. I insult girls who are behaving in a way I dont accept.
3. Actual Rude chicks get my biggest dickery.
4. If a girl bumps into me, non-playful and and acts like its my fault, I give it to her.
5. The girls I insult range from 5 - 7.

Pretty much, I insult girls I really DONT care about in my opener when they do something I dont like. It messes my interaction with her up, but if she is acting up, I dont want her anyways. Normally when I do this, it really messes them up momentarily and they evaluate the selves. Often said girls friends will apologize for the friend, despite my shrewd action.

You are very correct that I can change my delivery if I WANTED to game them, but in some sense they do something to provoke this. I dont run around insulting girls. But I find in a small venue one gal gets it a night and in a large about a half dozen. Not a huge number, but if I never focused on this it could lead to eventual fights.

Dare I say, I am too Alpha? Not in a sense that 'I am the man' but when my buddies do something I decide everything. People respect me. People know me. I assume such SPAM. I remember running around four years ago seeking this respect, now I get it and expect it.

Its a boundary. I am losing charisma for the sake of being dominant to my environment. I could stay like this but after working on it in field a few hours I can tell with the help in this thread it cleared up.

Now if I dont like the behavior, I handle it non-verbally. I withdraw, turn my body, and look at her like she is stupid. Women catch the drift.

I would like to say a lot of what you mention can be true for me, but it is state dependent. I have the non-verbals, and basic stuff handled. Go out multiple times a week just working on basics and you get good. Voice projection, body language, calibration, reading people and what NOT to say came easy.

The problem is if I am down, or introspective, I will BLAST a girl for negative behavior. If I am super happy, I roll it off and bust her for being a turd. Just realized this while reading your post and reflecting. Thanks mate.

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Any time dude ^_^

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Holy shit I feel identifyied with this topic.

What I mean is that I act the same way, my behaviour is the same.

I always come across as the dick guy, mainly because Im always talking and looking to have the last word out of everything.

Female friends have told me to shut up a bit more, and also to be humble; Im having a hard time doing both.

I dont know how to express it well with words, but it seems like Im programmed. Like even thou I know its wrong what Im doing, I cant stop being the dick of the group.

Too much Dr. House a few years back, and a pretty ex girlfriend who kinda applauded the attitude had made me one pice of shit guy.

Please tell me how can you be more self aware at the moment of interaction, couse I lack any structure.


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