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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:31 pm 
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I feel that one of my weaknesses is amog'ing other guys. What are some essential things I should know about AMOG'ing another guy, either in a set or just at work?

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basically, you want to make it look like the AMOG is trying to hard and make fun of him for it. I like to use the straight up Tyler Durden method:
AMOG:"Hey girls whats up"
PUA:" Hey dude(put your hands up in the air like your giving up), I will pay you hunderds of dollars to get these girls away from me right now!"
the girls will start giggling, crump up against you and say:"we love you PUA" or something like that.
if the AMOG looks like he is pissed or wants to fight, then call him out on it and make fun of him for trying to hard to impress the girlssay something like:
"Haha, are you serious? are you trying to pick a fight with me? okay, okay, wait a second we'll do even better! first we'll have n arm wrestling competition. then we'll do one-armed push ups. and last, a pose down!
(start flexing your arms nd say "ladies?")
the AMOG will back down cause your making it look like hes trying to hard.


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Awesome! Now let me tell you about the other situation I'm having. I'm trying to be the Alpha in my work place around friends. I have two co workers that are natural alphas. (I'm cool with both of them) How do I counter their alpha statements twoards me? Like how should I react? And also how should I AMOG them in a politically correct way?

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One weakness of alphas is that they don't like being dragged into another man's world. They want everything to be centered on them. Take over the conversation and start telling "This one time..." stories about things that have gone on in your life. Make it more exciting and interesting than what they want to talk about.

Also, most alphas try to be a subject matter expert on things. Then they tool you out because they know more about the subject at hand than you, and you can't keep up. Avoid falling into that trap and turn the tables on them when they do it.

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Awesome! Now let me tell you about the other situation I'm having. I'm trying to be the Alpha in my work place around friends. I have two co workers that are natural alphas. (I'm cool with both of them) How do I counter their alpha statements twoards me? Like how should I react? And also how should I AMOG them in a politically correct way?
ok so if they are making fun of you then you should defenatly AMOG them, espcially if they are doing it infront of sets. and if you want to make yourself appear more alpha then you need to start following some of their traits such as smiling when you enter the room. but the most important thing is to make yourself look like youre the most confidant peron in the world and make yourself the center of the conversation as you convey personality to the whole group.
what puaninja said is also really good, that you want to make what your saying more exciting and interesting then anyone else


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These dues are just trolling u should never take anything they say towards you personally just roll it, it’s all in good fun. If you notice something the alpha dudes do that’s not prototypically masculine or just plain dumb. Call them out on whatever it is, but do it in a subtle way and be discrete about it. Don’t embarrass them in front of the chicks yet, the idea is that they associate you with their insecurity (if you guys get along well, they won’t feel embarrassed around u).

After you have enough good material you can subtly hint whatever they are insecure about in front of other people when you and boys are having a bit of joke about each other or wait for something like a key word or phrase that primes the memory. You can start to talk about whatever it is in an abstract way but leave out the main concepts that stich the story together- that is what you leave up to the alpha due to fill in or the crowd might already know about it anyway and work it out.

The cool thing is you don’t have to do much the audience will be like “tell us what happen man?” if it’s obvious that the dude is starting to feel embarrassed at the abstract story you just told. Most high status dudes don’t worry about public scrutiny if they got good come backs (which they usually do). But be careful they might dish up some dirt on you too, if these guys are footballer types they will be very good at this.

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the thing about this, is as soon as you start to assign the roll of AMOG to some guy and think you have to actually actively do anything, you will probably just make things shit for yourself, between a group of people in terms of social status or ''social value'' the person who reacts the least, holds the most value, basically, the guy who speaks his mind the easiest while keeping his cool and projecting his own frame holds the most status in the group

just don't pay attention to other guys, that's all you have to do,

you're at a club, you approach a girl, a guy beside her says something, you just ignore him, and talk to the girl unless he is a real issue (like going to pull her away from you, going to cause you physical harm, has rapport with target and she knows him better)

even when you have to address him, don't pay attention to him, address him through the girl

if he is super persistant and you absolutely can't help but react cause he is making you feel insecure, then it becomes an ego thing and there are two ideas to approach things from there

-calling him out, getting into a pissing contest and let things get continually more abrassive until it leads to actual violence, in this case this option is probably only viable if his sub communications and body language say pussy or you feel like getting into a fist fight (basically this implies insulting him and being better at it until he snaps, still the guy who cares less, keeps his cool more, and doesn't emotionally react while holding his own frame will look better socially)

-positive re-frames and trying to use the group agaisnt him

but all in all, the easiest most effective thing to do, is just not care, focus on the girl, ignore the guy, just lead the conversation with her and don't worry about him, if he is trying to give you attention and you don't react, good or bad, he is actually just raising your value as long as you don't react, and if the attention is negative and you don't react, he just looks bad, he says something sarcastic or seems like some strawman tactic or some compliance test or what ever, just treat it just like you would if a girl was shit testing you, just don't react and ignore his shit, focus on the task at hand

there is a post of some guy who went to a mall or something and some guy comes to ''amog'' he has rapport with the girl, he locks her in and makes it impossible to ignore him, so what do you do?

address the girl, ''who's your friend''

don't talk to him, talk to the girl, she says it's her boyfriend, then set over, she tells you who he is and it's not a boyfriend, he is automatically blown out, all you have to do is not get insecure, and wait until he goes away, don't think of him like a threat, he is just a person and it would be better to make a friend later then an enemy because you are insecure

he starts saying sarcastic passive agressive shit, and addressing the girl trying to tool you to, just keep doing the same thing, ignoring him and not reacting

like for example,

random guy: ''you should give this guy your number, he looks like he likes you''

you: *address girl, not guy* ''cool, that guy's got the right idea, you should give me your number, tell us what else she should do? I like where you're going with this''

just ignore him as much as possible, and lead, just keep the focus on the girl and not him, if the frame is not productive don't buy in, if he says passive agressive shit, just re-frame it and change his context, don't start attacking him, don't start saying passive agressive shit, don't start talking to him and being friendly, let him try to talk to you, ignore him and speak to the girl, stay on your task, and don't shift your focus until your task is complete

if you find you are regularly getting tooled chances are some of the following are true for you

-your body language sucks and you subcommunicate anxiety instead of comfort
-you could use some time in the gym
-you are reactive and get insecure around people who you assign value to (you're easy to troll and get a rise out of)


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