Having sat down and decided to work out my sticking points. My major one is when there hasn't been the chance to F-close on ze previous encounters and I can't seem to get kino started once on another date / link up.

The issue really is on getting it started rather than any other physical things, regardless of them being a new girl or an old flame.

I get pretty good feedback about things once its all going, and am getting regular enough lays so I don't think its a confidence thing.


For example:
Last night I had a HB7 that I've F-closed twice before sitting in bed with me but we just sat there talking for ages rather than doing anything. I tried to force the kino (as in my head I was sitting there thinking this is mental) But it was incidental then overt kino on her leg etc but felt so forced and unnatural.

I seem to set up a kino-less environment THEN try to force kino out. In these meets the energy is pretty low and its always 1 on 1.

Were not talking in club or day game situations as that's fine it's just on day 2's and 3's etc where sex or serious tongue work hasn't been possible beforehand.

What do?

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I'd be like, "Arghh...my back hurts so bad, can you rub it?" Then make her massage it and tell her you are going to do her next.

Yea, sitting there talking about non-sexual things, then trying to touch her leg ain't gonna' work. You need to be gearing the whole interaction towards kino escalation and sex. Like I always say, once you get done fucking her she can go off and call her little girlfriends up on her iPhone and tell them all about her feelings and re-cap what happened on last week's episode of Housewives. That's not what you are there for, however.

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Lol an induction Massage has been my secret tool for years.

''No silly woman you do it like this...take your clothes off.''

I Did it perfectly last night however and want to try a Dual induction on two at the same time but that's another story.

My issue with getting that going is that with the total lack of touch a few ladies aren't up for any massaging or are up for it but not the clothes part. There feels like there needs to be some preamble.

It's the starting Kino when things have been totally dry, (har har har) during the interaction and then trying to 'gogo kino' halfway through. Sometimes in these non playful meet ups its fucking impossible to get things going at the start and i just get stuck in a 'no physical contact' mode.

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I think it's an issue with body language. I noticed the following every time my ex came over: greet her with a kiss (with tongue) and I had plenty of opportunity to get more physical whenever I wanted; greet her with a hug, or a kiss without tongue and escalation took a lot longer or we just talked. So how do you greet these girls when they come over? More intimate kino at initial contact sets a more sensual frame instantly, and that could quite possibly solve your problem.

As for your sitting on the bed and talking problem, that's exactly it: you're sitting on your bed and talking, essentially using it like a couch. In such cases you have apparently not established a sexual frame yet, despite having her on your bed. So I agree with puaninja on that one, gear your interaction (in words and body language) more toward sex.

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