I have a massive sticking point that could be as big to be described as my ultimate sticking point with girls. Here it is:

When I am in a relationship with girls (not exclusive but we like each others company and are taking it at a normal courtship pace as opposed to drunken lust sex) I will be in control of everything and good at first, but then I start to get attached quickly to the girl and Betaised. It happens when we start to progress physically and it is also at that point where the relationship starts to change course. I get impatient and am thinking about hooking up with her all the time and that is where she ends up not wanting to do it and losing respect for me. This has happened with every relationship that I have really cared about and I hate to say that I have yet to have a relationship where I lead it as a man should and have gratifying sex with her on a regular basis.

What all red flags do you all see within what I have written and what advise do you have as to how I can proceed in the future to be sure to maintain my position as the rational disciplined leader that I need to be.

-VF

It's great you are being so honest. You need to work on your inner game. The quote above says it all. If you are too needy she will lose respect for you as you said.

Meet other guys. Destory your one-itis. Game game game. Meet and date more girls and you'll get a more balanced view.

But steps in place to stop you texting her when u are drunk etc. or when u feel needy. NExt thing you know she will be coming and calling you.

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I'm no expert but I have been in the game for a few years now and I have had several healthy satisfying relationships.

First of all to be blunt you can fuck a girl even on the first date and continue on to have a relationship like you're talking about.

You say your sticking point is getting attached - do you think perhaps it's emotionally rather than physically and you're just using the lust to express emotion?

Without knowing the answer to that the only other thing I can say is chill out. It seems like you're over complicating things.

I am a fan of Natural Game - that's being yourself but improving on your good qualities and eliminating the bad ones. Learn it and practice it and your confidence will reach a point that allows you to handle any relationship.

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I think you hit the nail on the head there. I think as a male that is naturally the first thing I want to do.

I was the same way. Sensitive, emotional, a so-called "nice guy". I had to really make an effort to tone down those traits as I developed the mentality women are attracted to. Thats what get your head in the game means

Don't get me wrong women don't lie about wanting a sensitive guy they can be comfortable with, logically they do. But emotionally women want to try to tame a wild guy.

If you're anything like me "Mr Comfort" comes naturally to you. The next step is to work on "Mr Sociable" and "Mr Seductive" so they can come naturally to you.

Really you just gotta adjust your mentality so your emotions don't run outta control.

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That is exactly how I am. To be honest as gay as it may sound I like to be emotionally open with women to the point where we have incredible comfort. I find that it makes getting intimate an incredible amount better. Its like a multiplier to me.

You sound just like me though. I have two "personas" i feel like. One that is super genuine that is "Mr. Comfort". I have to make an effort to be like this around women and I feel like it pays off when I do. The other would be best called "Mr Cocky" and I feel like it is petty and people can see through it.

Im interested in what opened your mind up to other possibilities though and your journey there.

Take a look at this: http://www.scribd.com/doc/59133577/Natu ... ka-Gambler

PS the Mr Cocky you're talking about isn't real, it's a mask. The 3 Characters of a Seduction are in this book and they are actually personality traits you should learn, not just acting roles.

I recommend you read this whole book and take notes.

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Thanks a ton for this link. I agree with you that it is a mask. I can just feel it as a mask. It is like a defense mechanism.

Gambler is someone whom I have wanted to read up on for awhile now. I have read his intro and really feel like this guy is who I want to model my game after (no one else really got it exactly right although gun and 60 are very very close.)