I met this HB8 the other day by luck. We had met before and had chit-chatted but I had made no effort in getting to know more about her. She's a waitress at a place next to the place I work.

So, back from where I began, I met her at a night club. I had just arrived and she had just finished her shift. She bought me a drink and then we bounced to another night club for one more drink. We talked some more and then kissed. I then took her to her place where I used a technique I'm putting into test lately (fake LMR from my side) which worked pretty well and then I f-closed her.

The next morning we exchanged phone numbers and that night I went over to the place she works for a drink with a friend (she's a part timer there and although I use to visit that place very often after work I hadn't met her before). She came to our table a few times and spent some time with us. After my friend left I stayed some more and then I left too.

The third night I also visited her after I finished my shift but she was way too busy, so I told her that I was planning to go find some friends at some other place and that I would most probably return later, when she'd be more available with which she agreed. So I left and returned after a couple of hours with another friend of mine. She was indeed less stressed and came to our table a few times but then, while we were talking she mentioned that she's too busy at this period (she really is because she's moving to another place) and that she just broke up with some guy. I did not react weird at all and tried to show her that I felt comfortable with her status. I told her that I've been there before and I know how it feels and I don't want to push or stress her.

Did she Flake on me or sh*t tested me?

And now for the extra, more interesting part of the story.

After she told me the above, me and my friend stayed some more at the place (an hour or so). She returned to our table multiple times, only these times she was talking more to my friend and paying less attention at me and was being more distant. When we decided to leave, my friend went to find her and wish her goodnight and I assumed it would be bad if I didn't too. But, when I spoke to her she appeared cold somehow. Instantly I decided that we had a great time together and it was not alpha from my side to try harder.

Totally unexpectedly, the next night SHE CAME OVER at the place where I work to say "hi" and we talked a little. It was something that confused me but I didn't show any surprised at all. After all, I liked it. What would you do next? I think I'm not going to contact her or visit the place she works while she's there, at least not for a few days. Would it be cool to show up with some other HB or would it create more tension between us?

Thanks,
eMtoN.

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i dont see any flake on her behalf...

look after a women gets fucked by a man for the first time, theyre always gonna act like the way shes acting.

they dont wana feel like a used slutty sex object (even tho thats all they are).

so theyr gona act all fucked up and all wacked out, even tho the only thing she really wants is to be sucking on some cock and getting fucked soon thereafter.

so just chill the fuck out and dont play any games like bringing a girl to make her jealous etc. thats fucking retarded shit

Thanks for the reply and support which were well received except for the "slutty sex object" part with which I totally disagree... We were together into this man! I mean, I didn't force her to do anything she didn't want to and she didn't force me either. And as far as I know we both enjoyed it respectfully.

So, she didn't flake, but did she sh*t tested me? Did she appear distant while talking to my friend just to see my reaction (jealousy per say)?

I haven't tried to reach her since as I've been very busy this whole week and had no spare time, but most probably we'll meet tonight somehow as our shifts' time matches. We'll see how it goes...

Thanks again,
eMtoN.

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i was being extreme for self amusement purposes.

for the record i dont believe all women are slutty sex objects.

about that jelousy part, this was not a shit test. this is regular female behaviour.


is she sleeping with your friend or is she sleeping with you?

she was just being nice to your friend. women are nice creatures.

dont read into it too much like "oh she was being distant". NO.

At present, she isn't sleeping with neither of us two. At least she isn't sleeping with me (we have slept together once some 10 days ago) and as far as I know she isn't sleeping with my friend either... Of course, in the meantime, I've been sarging other girls and had some good results, including half a dozen #-closes and two k-closes.

I met her again last night after work - I finished at around 5 a.m. and went for a drink at the club where she works. I know the people she works with so I spent a lot of time talking with them and waited for her to join my company. But I waited for long until she finally came over and we talked a little. You know, she didn't seem distant but BUSY and EXHAUSTED! It's a shame - although her body language "told" me she likes me, she works too hard and is forced to stay up late (most times over 7 a.m. )

The way I see it, we may'd like to spend time together, but doing what we do it's kind of hard to accomplish that. Even though I finished working (last night) some 2 hours earlier than her, after spending 10 minutes drinking my beer at the place she works, my fatigue rose and all I wanted was to go to sleep. And I think that's all she was dreaming too... On top of all that, our days off don't match!

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The way I see it, there's not a lot you can do other than wait until you're both available. I wouldn't read too much into her giving attention to your friend, as Juan said, that's just normal female behaviour after you've had sex, especially for the first time. She wasn't flaking or shit testing you, she just had a legitimate reason for not being able to spend time with you. If you want to keep her as an open option then keep contact with her and just continue sarging other girls and when the opportunity to spend time with her arises again, take advantage of that.

Exactly my point of view, (before and) after discussing about it with my friend tonight. He suggested I should be honest at her and express how I feel and what I'd like to do with her, even if that means that I get a negative response. Then, I'd know where I am, where I can go and what I can do. By the way, he's an alpha and a very successful natural with women! He told me he doesn't care if what he wants isn't what she wants and he can then forget about her and move on. He just expresses his feelings on them.

I told him I'm not in such a hurry to push things with her. I like her and I don't want to show up as needy or force a response which would most probably be negative on her behalf at the present. Furthermore, in case of a negative response of hers, I'd cancel any chances of us getting together again in the future, or at least taking steps backwards, destructing all the rapport I have built with her. And worst than all, keeping in mind that the place she works is a place I visit often, if I forced things between us and got a negative response, I would have to live with it and face it every time we'd meet in the future there. He thought over it for a minute and, too, agreed, maybe it is better to not push things that don't need to be pushed.

While we stayed there I gave her all the space she needed. We talked a bit, flirted a little, she told me she had almost finished, she came over at our table and spent some time with me, and I "caught" her looking at me. When she was about to leave she came over to say goodnight and I suggested we should go and have something to eat. She said she was very tired and she was going to sleep.



I have been sarging the whole time we've been apart with this girl. In fact, before ending up at that nightclub, me and my friend went to two other nightclubs to sarge. The field report that stood out was when I opened a 4-set of girls and #-closed the most beautiful of them, a HB 9 of which I feel quite proud! It took me about 13 minutes...

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knows what he's talking about
it's only needy if you care if it doesn't work out, you are already needy at this point to be honest, being needy results in needy behavior, not being needy results in non needy behavior, you just have to consider your actions and where they are comming from, are you doing XYZ cause you can't fuck it up and you need the girl and can't walk away, or are you completely indifferent to the girl? doing XYZ cause you want to and the action is purely for you, rather then because you want to please her and desperately want the perfect tactic to get her so you can be happy as a result of her completing your life cause she is special and better then the other girls

if you just go after her and express how you feel and are met with indifference from her end, who cares?, you're not meeting enough women if you're single and this is some monumental deal for you and she is important, shit like this happens all the time, just go pick up girls in front of her and have a good time, who cares about what she thinks or if she will sleep with you again, she already did sleep with you and now she isn't, just go enjoy it for what it was and go live life for what it is and don't worry about her, if you go meet girls where she works and she has a huge problem, you can just justify your actions by putting her on the spot with the fact she hasn't been calling/seeing you and acting dis-interested, why is this even your problem? you don't have to explain yourself to her or be put on the spot for just doing you instead of being her little lap dog that desperately waits by the phone hoping to not ''kill the rapport'' and doesn't move on with his life for some girl that doesn't care about him, trying to keep her pleased every time he sees her, meanwhile she is probably having no problem meeting other guys and is flaking you

seriously there's this weird mis-conception that one fuck up is the end of the world and girls are unforgiving, chances are the more you stay honest and do you, the more girls re-consider, not the other way around, playing it safe is soo boring, what do you think projects a more attractive image to her, the one of the guy that needs her and can't speak his mind or clearly communicate with her and is enslaved to her pussy, or the guy who is just himself with no attachment to the pussy, wants her but can walk away with utter ease and find new girls, she may be jealous and mad in the moment, but when you feel that way you sure realize that you are losing something special if you even feel that way to begin with
so why don't you phone this girl up, ask her when she is free, see if she flakes, tell her the truth about how you're feeling, she slept with you, it rocked you, you wanna see her again, blah blah blah (your own way of explaining) and if she doesn't reciprocate or hit you back, who gives a shit, just go meet other girls any place you want, anywhere you want, and as often as possible in the highest volume possible, what's she going to do?, all of a sudden have a 180 degree change of heart because you did nice things for her and looked out for her main interests instead of your own? do you think if you don't tell her how you're feeling this somehow alters how she feels about you or something? if a chick really likes you she will annoy the shit out of you calling you up and trying to get you to meet her, she will find every reason to see you, rather then every reason not to
you should get out more, and if all you go for is the number, put less importance on it and get more of them, they really mean close to nothing if the interest and connection aren't there, and if they are there you might as well just sleep with her the day you meet her instead of getting the number, numbers are good if you're getting alot of them and often, if you're out at night just stay in set until she rejects you, she leaves, or you have sex, and screen the logistics before you stay in set so you know if it's even worth the time, if not ask her out for a d2, number and next

and follow up on all your numbers, you can turn a 2 minute number into a d2 if she is interested, just hit her up sooner rather then later and solidify the date with a little bit of, you know me and I know you, you're cool and I like you, play that same card with the other billion numbers you get and arrange all the dates you can from the girls that were logistically unvailable and it will become very clear to you very fast the difference between girls with interest, and girls without, it doesn't take 10 hours in set for a number if the girl is actually interested in you, girls all give their numbers away like candy, doesn't mean much, some girls will just give it out as your little prize for talking to them when they have absolutely 0 intentions of sleeping with you, meeting with you, or communicating with you on the regular, instead of trying to make these girls magically interested, instead you should see how far you can take it with them to test just how interested they are, and if they are not, then you know not to waste time on them since the effort is in vain and you can then use that time you saved more efficently to meet other girls within the time span that the club is open for that night

GOOD LUCK

I thought being needy and showing needy was two totally different things. From my point of view, I was trying not to show my neediness for her and play it cool. I think I communicated this to her. But:
together with my friend, that makes two of you!

From there on on your post reply, you just opened my eyes when I felt stuck man! Seriously, thanks!

I work every night, so I'm out all the time. I meet girls more often than I intend to, mainly because of what I do, rather than because I go out to actually meet them.

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