Hey guys, here's my deal:

I got into all this stuff in December of 2007, and it's been an uphill battle. Opening, check. Hooking, check. Attraction, after enough time and effort CHECK i believe? I'm getting a fair # of phone numbers, about one every time I go out. These range between short, weak game sets, and sets that i spend 2+ hours with the girl.

Since January, I have had ONE day2 (i hit it though, ha ha). However, I feel like i'm missing out here. In the last month, i've gotten 2 STRONG (at the time i thought they were) # closes with HB8's. I'm sure that somewhere between opening, hooking, attracting, qualifying and # closing i'm fucking something up. Or perhaps it is just my phone game? I've called these girls up , and had really great conversations where they get all giggly and shit on the phone. I've even had a girl call me up to suggest a d2, but schedules always have problems, and it NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENS. IN FACT, WE NEVER EVEN SETUP THE THING. What the fuck am I doing here? Has anyone else had similar experiences? Any tips?

Dude, I am having exactly the same problem. I've run some good game but have not been able to get a day 2 going despite 6 number closes.

Problem is that I can't even get phone game going. I'll call and it'll go straight to voicemail or if I text they don't text back. Bizarre cos I do not see any signs during my approach, hooking and attraction building phase. Sure some haven't been as good as others but some have been really good and I've seen all those tell-tale signs that a girl is digging me. Don't know what to do.

same here bro, i called a girl that other day, she just sounded like she lost all interest, i thought i had really solid game when i closed her

Invite them to come do something with you that you were going to do anyway.
Say something along the lines of:

"hey, I need to go clothes shopping at ______ mall, come help me I could use a womans advice"

"Hey, I'm going to _________ to get something for lunch, you should meet me there"

You: "Hey, do you like ice cream?"
Her: Yeah of course mr. PUA
You: Well if you come with me to get a present for my mom we can stop and get icecream.
Her: SURE! I would love that! lolol...


Have you guys who texted and not recieved a text back sure you had her? If I were you after meeting her, say that you have to run real quick but you should meet later and get something to eat/icecream/ go to the mall to pick out something/ take a walk in the city/ go to a club... you get it.

Murfster, I think your problem is that you call them up and talk with them for too long.
A phone conversation initially should be about 10 mins tops.
1) Ask how they are.
2) Say you have to go but you wanted to invite her to __________
3) End

Don't talk to them for too long as it is harder to build kino and comfort on the phone. Actually im not sure how you would build kino over the phone.

Always remember, if she doesn't call/text you back she is not worth your time. You have to show her that you're the prize. I am actually having a little trouble with this right now as I just want to hang out with this girl all the time. So right now I have to ignore her until she gets back to me. If she doesn't get back to me then fuck her shes not worth my time anyway.

haha funny I should read this bc Im in the exact same spot. I think its a huge leap from getting # closes (which isnt as hard as everyone thinks) to getting day 2's. A common thing I hear is to set up the day 2 the first time you meet her, or at least suggest something to do after you gained her interest.

Phone/text game is important too, but it takes practice. I think what I will do is call up all the numbers I get and keep trying. Its all about numbers anyway. Here is a link I found useful --> advice from Tyler Durden:
http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/s ... -game.html

Anyways I hope this thread gets more feedback bc im kinda stuck in the same place. For instance ive exchange good and flirty conversation with a girl i met through facebook, but I dont know how to set up stuff for various reasons: 1)she lives 30 min out of the city i live, 2) she might be busy with classes and tests 3)other stuff like that....

Good luck to you guys and you will get through it....its just the next part of the learning experience that is the game

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I've been doing a time bridge. I suggest we go hit the driving range. I have experimented with LONG convo and SHORT around 5 minute conversations.

My roommate has been studying some stuff Style put out, and apparently he says that if you're getting flakes it's because you are doing something wrong when you #close them in the first place.

When I started, I COULDN'T GET THEM TO PICK UP THE PHONE. Now, they talk to me, and i get flakey D2 plans, and i've had ONE actual D2. Keep in mind, that I have NEVER gotten a fake phone number.

Between when I got #'s where the girl wouldn't pick up, and where I am now, my game has improved 10x easily. I am wondering how much better my game has to be before D2's are easy. I know one *very* successful guy who is all about phone game, witty messages.ect. However, I have been told that when you are *GOOD*, you don't have to fuck around with that. I'd honestly rather improve my game, than learn to be clever via. my cellphone.

I'm thinking that to get better responses I will need:
#1 MORE attraction
#2 MORE comfort

any thoughts? THIS IS A BIG STICKING POINT FOR LOTS OF GUYS

Ever hear the phrase "out of sight, out of mind". That's what it is with chicks, and you know what, I don't care who you are or how good your game is, chicks flake. Obviously you can eliminate the amount of flakes with more attraction and comfort, but, if you felt the sarge was damn near perfect and she still flakes, it's up to you to decide whether or not you want to pursue it. My mindset is "I am the prize", if she flakes, she misses out, I don't chase chicks and I let them know that off the bat, In the initial phases of the sarge I will set up a day 2 or suggest we hang out and when they agree I tell them "You better not be one of those flaky girls now, promise me you aren't like them" and they'll promise, if they won't, then wtf, obviously she is and move on, to me there is just too many other options to be playing games. It's a personal preference, you can chase them, you can play their games, do what you will, but it's just as easy to catch the next taxi when the first one doesnt see you throw your arm in the air. Remember that.

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before you number close or even after you gota keep her hanging and keep her thinkin bout u

Wow. I was going to create this exact same thread topic. I am having a major problem with this. The OP is the exact same as me (I have no trouble with approach or kino in the bar). I can # close a girl with not much effort. I have # closed a dozen girls in the past month and never gotten a single day 2. I call the girl the next day and get sent to voice mail or she doesn't answer -- I leave the following message "hey its me just seeing whats up -- later". Never hear back from her. I typically delete her # and move on. Another poster said I should pursue setting up day 2 the first time I meet her -- I will try that.

Is this a bad voice mail to leave? Should it even matter what the voice mail is? If she is attracted to me she will not send me to voice mail or she will call me back soon after the voice mail. I need help with this issue.

Kino, guys. Kino. Oh, and not just one touch. Kino ESCALATION.

This is why I love dancefloor game so much. Kino escalation is practically a given if you've got some confidence. Otherwise, I recommend checking out Vin DiCarlo's Kino Escalation Ladder.

It's good to see I'm not the only dude with this problem. Ever since I moved to the big city and entered the working world this has been huge. So basically three problems:

I don't even have much time. Don't meet that many targets or get as many #s. After work and on Fridays, I'm ready for bed. That leaves pretty much only weekends. I am not sure exactly how you can do everything on weekends, pick up and dates. Could use some advice on that.

Plus people too far unlike college. People too lazy to travel. Logistics are hard to coordinate. People are like 1.5 hours away. Probably only will see once or twice a month.

People saying yeah let's do something. Then flaking. Or not answering their phones. (I don't really text if they don't answer phone. no point) I mean I close pretty well with a hug or friendly kiss. I get them to follow me around often. I kino pretty well, except I stop at hand holding since I only do day game and making out seems strange when you're day gaming in public places.


Thoughts?
T.

BTW what do you think about emails? if not getting through via phone.

link to a site with email game?

i'm surprised neither of these have been mentioned in this thread yet.

first, when you guys # close are you exchanging numbers? in other words does the girl have your # saved with your name in her phone? otherwise you are just showing up as a random # ...i don't answer randome numbers and neither do most girls i know.

second, try texting first. you are far more likely to get a response eventually (give her up to a day), then when you have a few texts back and forth you can move up to phone.

oh and also never contact a girl just to see what's up or what she's doing LEAD LEAD LEAD have something you are going to do anyway but she's welcome to come along or at least have an interesting story to tell her - better voicemail msg -> "hey, this is _____ you gotta hear what happened to me today" but me, i only leave a voicemail as a last ditch effort, a missed call will just as often get a callback, my attitude is hey you didn't answer your phone so you missed out.

Style is a huge fan of seeding.

Seeding is when you mention an activity that you planned on doing that week during the convo (ie. I'm going to this awesome sushi place on Wednesday).

You DO NOT invite her so there is no pressure.

Then as you are ready to peace out, casually mention: "oh, and make sure you check out that sushi place sometime...actually you should come with me".

This way it is a low pressure event. Also, you are having her come to something you were going to do anyway.

This has helped my flakeout rate quite a bit.

I've found that the problem can be the phone conversation itself. Through either building too much expectation on their part or your own. I find it best to be short and sweet in regards to the phone conversation. Phone up, arrange a date and leave it at that. There's seldom need to game on the phone, because even if you get her ready for a f-close on the phone, you'll need to do it all over again on the d2. just tell her where and when and go from there. be assertive. if she's unable to make the date and time you tell her. say "ok" and put down the phone. she'll call you back most of the time and try and arrange something.