COMFORT BUILDING AND LMR



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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

It is NOT a point where you get stuck with ONE SPECIFIC GIRL.

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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
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If you have not already gone out and practiced enough to have a real Sticking Point from meeting an ABUNDANCE of women, YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO POST HERE.



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:26 am 
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Worst week:

Met a ton of beautiful women recently. Concentrated on 4.

1. No k-close on first date. Did not text back. Life is too short
2. Met her in the hall of my building. Nr-close in 2 min. Student, 24. Went out, great time. Just natural game. Escalated with massage, took her to several places. Passionate k-close. "So happy we met." Texting back and forth. She's avoiding a second date. Always excuses."Ur so sweet, but this is going too fast for me". Too fast? Not bothering anymore, no interest there.
3. Met in the club. Student. 22. Gamed her friends and ignored her at first. Nr-closed all her friends to avoid cock block. Then came back. Gamed her, nr-close. She seemed very interested. Text back and forth. She says she is busy a lot. We should meet up in the club instead of my proposition. Did not answer. She texts, "are u upset w me". Me, "of couse not, why would i be? But im not coming. Early morning". Today, "where u going, balh blah. Lets text later" she did not text, i m not chasing her.
4. This one is interesting: 20. Student. opened her at the train station. Nr-closed before train. She came back to where i was sitting. She was so hot, major boner just sitting next to her. She texts me, "hope we go out soon :)" did not want to on same day, but nr. 2 blew me off, so ok. Called my new wing as she was out with a friend (later she told me they were into threesomes fuck!). Take them out to a nice place. Some gaming, then truth or dare, just keeping it very upbeat. I isolate immediately and escalate. She resists. I take her to the pool, and tell her we should go swimming. She says she has no bikini. I say, fuck it. We decide we go swimming (pool is closed). After 2 am and the hotel staaf think i am a guest, we go swimming naked. She has the most beautiful body ever. I escalate, she keeps resisting. My wing is already making out with her friend. Everyone is cold. We take my wing and her friend to his place. He got f-close. We end up in another city, in her bed. She is half naked. I always sleep naked. I thought this is a done deal. I escalate, she blocks. Finally she gets closer and we make out a bit. She is not shy. I already rubbed up against her and touched her everywhere anyway. She is excited, but hesitant. She already mentioned in the pool i was like an animal. But i m a man, i dont ask permission, thats who i am! Then she resists again. I cant sleep. She cant sleep. We are both heated up. She walked over to her dresser several times and i was sure she would break out a condom. She thought about it probably, but came back with some bullshit each time. I am not 40, like some of u guys, but am approaching 30 and when u have a 20 yo perfect bodied beauty teasing u like that, i cant sleep. Its 11 am, i m pissed, tell her i m leaving. Take her to a few places i like. I can read in her eyes she is really into me. Blocks. On the way home, the ljbf speach. "I have enough friends. I wont b ur friend. I ll let u think about it". She is not down for f-close.

Wtf! I am sure this has to do with a sticking point. How do i buld sufficient comfort fast enough? Something is missing. Somthing crucial. And why do all these girls want a relationship from me? I just wanna have fun. It cant be such a big deal. I must be going about it all wrong.

Lmr. Classic lmr in nr. 4. I tired wash, rinse repeat. I ve been there before. My insistence always got me an f-close. At least by morning. I stopped with her cause she was getting really pissed. I thoght she was gonna scream or smthg! Fuck!

I read body language, i see the way thier eyes light up and everything. This is really wierd shit. What do u guys think? I spent a night with her and got ljbf'ed! I got a lovely kiss from the other one, and nothing but hesitaion. I talkd with my wing the next day to debrief. He said i did very well. He said he was sure i would f-close. I feel like shit about this!


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you seem to ignoring logistical issues. I would advise less public physical escalation and more attempted f-closing at home. You are prematurely inducing buyers remorse from your cave-manning.


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Hmm. Ok, that sounds plausible, especially with the buyer's remorse. But if i m not excalating early on then getting her home will be even more of a challenge, dont you think? How would you have handled nr. 4?


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The last girl is interesting... but here are a few things i would have done/tried. now obv she has some LMR... so u needed to make out a lot w her... then freeze her out. Another thing I like to do when a girl has LMR is to out FRAME her. By this i mean put HER in the LJBF zone... tell her ok ok lets slow down here... i kinda just met you... (AKA the frame she put u in at the end of the night!) and then roll over in bed for a bit and see if she comes chasing after you (if you do this correctly she will be so turned on and wanting more that she will jump on your and literally beg for you to bang her).

So that would have worked in your situation imo... but who knows for sure. Now we also have to go back to why she was having LMR. You right you obv. were missing something. I think the phychological connection was lacking a little bit. When im gaming girls my main objective is to get in their head. Fucking own their soul. To do this i use a lot of reutines... negs... and again i out FRAME her. If you dont know the CUBE reutine.... learn it. Its a great way to build a lot of comfort... very quickly. But thats where i thiink u may have slipped a little is the comfort stage. she didnt feel comfortable so quickly banging you. It takes about 7 hours before a girl is rdy to bang. Some more... some less... but the average is 7 hours. Thats an important number to keep in the back of your head.

GL BUD.

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. But if i m not excalating early on then getting her home will be even more of a challenge, dont you think?
Verbally but dont physically escalate to the point of make out in public, talk about sex but dont make it direct, that is a great subduction tool. Also physical escalation is ok but once you start making out with them in public or before the sex location then the cat is out of the proverbial bag, and she knows you want her, it defuses sexual tension.

Gte her horny and worked up, then invite her over your house to p,lay with you goldfish. As far as lowering your chances to escalate on a second date? - Yes all second dates lower my chances of closing compared to a first date, a third date is even worse for my success.

I came upon this discovery myself, but on reviewing "Magic Bullets" The authors talk about the exact same issue (making out lowering sexual tension). If you want the page numbers let me know .


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. But if i m not excalating early on then getting her home will be even more of a challenge, dont you think?
Verbally but dont physically escalate to the point of make out in public, talk about sex but dont make it direct, that is a great subduction tool. Also physical escalation is ok but once you start making out with them in public or before the sex location then the cat is out of the proverbial bag, and she knows you want her, it defuses sexual tension.

Gte her horny and worked up, then invite her over your house to p,lay with you goldfish. As far as lowering your chances to escalate on a second date? - Yes all second dates lower my chances of closing compared to a first date, a third date is even worse for my success.

I came upon this discovery myself, but on reviewing "Magic Bullets" The authors talk about the exact same issue (making out lowering sexual tension). If you want the page numbers let me know .
this is really cool. yes, the nrs would be good to have and i take your tip. tension building. sounds right on.


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The last girl is interesting... but here are a few things i would have done/tried. now obv she has some LMR... so u needed to make out a lot w her... then freeze her out. Another thing I like to do when a girl has LMR is to out FRAME her. By this i mean put HER in the LJBF zone... tell her ok ok lets slow down here... i kinda just met you... (AKA the frame she put u in at the end of the night!) and then roll over in bed for a bit and see if she comes chasing after you (if you do this correctly she will be so turned on and wanting more that she will jump on your and literally beg for you to bang her).

So that would have worked in your situation imo... but who knows for sure. Now we also have to go back to why she was having LMR. You right you obv. were missing something. I think the phychological connection was lacking a little bit. When im gaming girls my main objective is to get in their head. Fucking own their soul. To do this i use a lot of reutines... negs... and again i out FRAME her. If you dont know the CUBE reutine.... learn it. Its a great way to build a lot of comfort... very quickly. But thats where i thiink u may have slipped a little is the comfort stage. she didnt feel comfortable so quickly banging you. It takes about 7 hours before a girl is rdy to bang. Some more... some less... but the average is 7 hours. Thats an important number to keep in the back of your head.

GL BUD.

Duke
i do the cube and it does work actually. the problem i have with the cube is that a lot of women know this already. they won't tell you and will count how many of your routines they know. then they make fun of you gaming them with basic pua stuff. happened to me before. and that is a ticket to the friend zone or at best a lot of lmr.

your other point is really good though. it seems that public makeout makes it less effective. i get what i've been doing wrong. i need to use sexual tension more and avoid deffusing it early on.


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There are a ton of kokology other then "The Cube" and "Strawberry fields" Just choose some less used ones and no one will recognize them as PUA warm reading techniques

Pages in Magic Bullets : 129-132 regarding Emily


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There are a ton of kokology other then "The Cube" and "Strawberry fields" Just choose some less used ones and no one will recognize them as PUA warm reading techniques

Pages in Magic Bullets : 129-132 regarding Emily
cool.


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magic bullets is really good, actually.


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what is this magic bullets routine and what are some of the other routines like the cube and strawberry fields? If you could pm them to my that would be great!

Thanks,
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