That's very normal behaviour. I've done several freeze outs and ALL the girls have acted the same. It seems like this doesn't affect them at all, am I right?

Just give it a week or two (depending on the girl). Right now, she doesn't wanna seem needy and start chasing after you at once. You're doing good, keep it up and don't give up.

Guys is attraction not the key to the entire concept of sex?

Well it isn't but its close, i hnoestly wouldn't want to have a sex with a girl who wasn't attracted to me. would you?

ok, my point wasn't well made. now i will rephase.

If you are in freinds zone and you are having to go through the ideas such as 'boyfreind desytorers' which i did mention. Can it not be said that the stage of attraction has gone.
Growinf up with 5 sisters has taught me once the guy has mad eit into the freind zone. He should focas on the other 3 BILLION women in the world. Unless your in love whats the point?

oh and swearing at me well thats scary, i told my mum off you. She said whats a pick up artist and then it got complicated.ha.

Am saying its just a girl, learn to start again because it was di vinchi who never finshed most of his masterpieces and thats WHY they where masterpeices!
Because he started again. Adam Lyons "Never chase a bad set".

be nice now guys .. oh and i'll have my brownie points back lol

I just want to prepare, so what if she confronts me and asks why have I been avoiding her? Clearly I am doing it on purpose by not sitting with her anymore. I'm trying to think of the answer I can give, but I'm stumped at this point.

Thanks Zentrode, your feedback soothes me.

Reactionz, it can be assumed through induction that there would be no attraction. That doesn't mean there isn't attraction there. Like I said before, she was having a difficult time choosing between me and him. Therefore she is attracted to both of us at this point. I'm trying to convey to her that I have high value by not being needy and therefore using this freeze out approach. That's all there is. Whatever happens happens. If she moves on, I move on. If I have a chance, then I will fight for it.

Reactionz I think some of your other posts are actually quite good so I don't think 'your' a dipshit but I do disagree with your abrupt dismissal of our forum brother here winning over his lady friend. I don't think it's impossible or even improbable that he can't cross this friendship barrier.

I can personally give testiment to this because 'I have' broken that friendship barrier time and time again and at some point or another slept with most of my female friends.

You should take into account, these women wouldn't be friends with you in the first place if there wasn't some kind of attraction there. The reality is most of the girls who we are mates with we wanted to bone the first time we met them (often visa versa to a certain degree) but circumstance put them in the 'friends' category rather than the 'lover' category. However as circumstance changes so can the way we categorise our relationships with women and the real trick here is manipulating her circumstances to be suited to your own.

I will loosely quote a Ross Jeffries line here that he claims to use in order to break that barrier 'Real friends don't put each other into categories like that. What I can promise you is that when we are both ready and willing it will happen.'

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How long is a time bridge usually? I know it can be from the next day after a #close to a week. What would you say is the best number of days away from a girl you just met?

Well theres really no distinct rule that I'm aware of for waiting periods in between meeting girls. Personally I vary the waiting period dependent on the level of connection I felt with the girl at the time of parting.

For instance if I f close a girl when she or I are drunk I often wait about 3 days to talk to her again because their never as certain of you the next day (like wandering whether they just hooked up with you because your wasted or if you only hooked up with her because you were drunk or whether a very different person sober etc.) so it's better to make them wait a little awhile.

However if I f close a girl and we lay in bed having a great conversation and find the attraction has actually grown after sex, then I'll call her the next day.

If I kiss close a girl and we have a great conversation and lots of kino, I normally wait about two days.

It's really all dependent on you dude, theres so many different scenarios it's really hard to make rules for this but generally the longer they wait the happier they are to hear from you when you eventually call. Just don't leave it longer than a week if you want it to go somewhere.

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Wordly you are truly an inspiration. Thanks for mentoring me a bit. I feel that I've learned a lot. News on the girl...we decided to be friends since she's already going out with the guy long before I came into the picture...so no sense in destroying something that's already taking place.

On to the next I suppose lol

My brother in arms above is right..
Well said.

I read the post wrong i was under the impression she was being a bitch and no attraction was there.

In which case i admire you trying to show higher value and i will add my peice in order to help.

Women usually respond to .... women. Its so true it scary. Got any freinds who are girls? Invite that girl over and have your freind/ ex come over and play a game of scrabble if you want. It will do wonders. wonders.
Even if she looks like a bus may have hit her at one point in her short life, invite her for five mins.
to 'pick up something she left, then dhv about a funny story related with that item.

tell me how it goes..
good luck
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Well in that case, all you need to do is stick around and flirt with her in front of him and others (mainly kino, teasing try and keep the sexual inuendo to mininum). If she or anyone else says anything about 'how close' you guys seem to be, pass it off with 'I don't see her like that we're just really good mates'. Whenever you speak to her or her friends make sure you appear supportive of her relationship with this guy. Don't try and convince her to dump him etc.

Now, If this guy is aware of your constant presence he will no doubt begin to feel threatened and eventually the jealousy will bring out the worst in him and if she's like most of the female population this behaviour will make her feel trapped and smothered so she'll end up breaking it off prematurely and you'll be there too comfort her (rebound). Meanwhile no one would ever suspect that was your initial motive all along.

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i would freeze out, but not entirely. Cuz then she may think you don't care at all and might just settle for him.