Are there guys here who use this PU game and have ADHD?

I experience adhd an obstacle for many things: concentration, social relations, study, even happiness, due to many failures, people who didn't understand me, my toughts racing through my head, frustrations and depression, blames, and being different.

PU has made me much stronger and helps me becoming succesfull. I feel I'm building up my life steadily. I'm getting better socialy, with girls, mentally.

But often, after a period of feeling good and succesfull, I come to the point that I realise that I often come close to my goals, but that I actualy never realy reach. I then see my life before me, and realise all the things that have could turn out differently if I didn't had adhd: which means having a bad concentration, being different and because of past experiences. Adhd feels like a wall that blocks the path just when it's so close to you.

I wonder how did you experience adhd and how have you combined it with PU?

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I have it too without the hyper part (actual documented) and I only had problems with it right now in college (I was fine in HS and before but I never got straight A's)

Anyway it does impact me socially, I feel like sometimes I miss subtle things in conversations and I'm always out of the loop in a group. If I'm on my meds, I get really wired and anxious and anti social. If I'm off my meds I actually feel more confident.

With that said, I think there is a way to turn ADHD in to a rare pua gift. Just got to find out how. They say ADHD people are gifted in that they can think of great ideas and think out of the box more easily and are more spontaneous or can be. A lot of famous people have it or has had it.

I think if you can think of openers and routines, and analyze social situations extremely fast on the fly then your golden. The hard part for me comes with approaching and conversation and paying attention without that voice in my head distracting me.

I'm getting there but not quite there yet.

I have it and I'll tell you what


The benefit: You are quick on your feet, and can think remarkably fast and make that witty charm come natural. It takes a while to get into a grove but once you get it down you're money. I was awesome at sales for the same reason.


The downside: One on one conversations over a longer period of time are harder. We are naturally bad listeners unless it is something we take a true interest in. A lot of what girls say is mush.

Another downside is you are your own worst enemy. For me, I overthink way too much which causes hesitation. I feel like if life moved faster or the days were shorter I would be so much better with girls. When given the time my mind constantly blows through thoughts and scenarios and acting upon them can take you right off your game and cost you a close.

ADHD and compulsion when with a girl is EXCELLENT, but for me when I'm away from them I blow it by acting wreckless. PUA has taught me the importance of self control because my impulses would tell me to do one thing but PUA has trained me into realizing that in most cases that impulse will hurt you.

I have taken ritalin and concerta for years. I tell you, worst years of my life. It took it in high school, which period is crucial for developing your social side. It made me depressed, nervous, tired, and I got cold hands and feet from it.
I stopped taking it and I felt alot better. However, there were issues which I developed in these years taking medecins like low selfesteem etc which I had to fix myself, and with help of PUA.
I'm taking Strattera now because I still want to get results at university. Strattera is a natural medicin with no negative effects. Although I can't tell for sure if my concentration got better, however, I don't experience headeache when concentrating now.
Yes! I experience this as well.
True. Having AD(H)D makes you often think that there are only negative sides, but there are still some positive ones, like the ones you mentioned.
As a person with AD(H)D, you are often more creative and you can hyperfocus on things that realy interests you. Important is thus that you focus on things you realy like, being passionate about it and develope it.

Having AD(H)D makes you thus more genuine, impulsive and creative. I think a result of that is when gaming or being socialy, our behavior as an AD(H)D guy is more natural than with other people. We can't fake things easily like being interested. if we hear a great song we just can't help dancing. Thus I believe that finding a natural method which is congruent with yourself and which can show your genuineness is the best method.

I am using 60's method now more because it involves more sexual bodylanguage and a better frame of mind than other more social and less natural methods like MM. That means that I can be more myself but that I'm just more sexual (aggresive).

It also involves more inner game, because of AD(H)D, things are sometimes naturaly more difficult for us and this involves acceptance of it.
Indeed. Me, I can't game girls who aren't realy interesting, no matter how hot they might be. Crazy enough, I often like girls who also have AD(H)D traits: having an absurd sense of humour, being lively, sponteneous, creative, not taking herself too serious, who is genuine and intelligent, funny way of thinking, etc.
True. That's why I quited the mindfucking MM. Truth is, it's better to be impulsive sometimes than trying to block your impulses, because by doing so you start to overthink. F.e., your impulse tell you "I want to start talking to that girl", but you think "no she will reject me", or "my friends will laugh at me if I get blown out" or whatever. Instead, just do it and if it turns out bad, just reframe your thoughts into somnething more positive.
However, this shouldn't make you too much of a dancing monkey. There are still limits and social rules. PUA learns you to stop impulsive needyness for example.

In general, the better I feel, the more fun I have, the more happy I am, the better my frame of mind, the less I give a damn, the less I overthink, the more I am confident, the more I do while showing I'm having fun and I'm confident, the more succes I have.

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You WANT to make a change.
You CAN make a change.
You WILL make a change.

Ambitious to be succesfull => Shyler

Yeah another thing for some adhd people (not so much me) but the figiting or inablity to sit still can come across the wrong way to some women as well. I know it's a part of adhd if your hyperactive but it's one of the things working against us.

I just started taking Vyvanse 4 months ago and it's not as strong as Adderall but longer lasting for 12+ hours. However I absolutely cannot do any game while on it because it basically triples my anxiety in social situations to the point I start to sweat and when I'm off med's I'm usually completely fine and more myself and outgoing than on it. I'm trying to not take it that much and only on days when I have a lot of work to do. However I also have some Ativan to kill some of those side effects if I have to do something that would induce a lot of anxiety like presentations, social situations, pua lol (jk). Yeah once I leave university I'm going to stop my medications or take it sparingly since I've done well all my life without medications until I got to college.

with PUA, I feel adhd helps me because I can always think 5 moves ahead (maybe being a chess player helps too) but my approach/general social anxiety and meds are my own worst enemy with pua. Because if I show physical symptoms of it then my approach will fail regardless so a lot of the times I don't even try unless I've had a few drinks or I'm off my meds. And if a girl comes up and talks to me I think so fast on my meds it can kill the conversation.

I hate it but yeah, I don't plan on getting into serious pua until after university anyway. For now I just do mostly online game, and I just use pua when the opportunities come along at parties and when going downtown.

By the way I started learning pua a few years ago doing MM. But I've never heard of 60's game. What is it? I'm trying to start learning natural game since I want to be more natural. The other night, I went downtown and got a few girls to come over to me just by looking at them or gesturing. I think I'm more of a natural at that kind of stuff than MM.

I have ADHD too, and I started a few months ago listening to the love systems podcast. I was a virgin until then, but based on the podcasts I met a girl off the internet who I saw a few times. Don't think I'm ready yet to go out, but I was hoping ritalin would make you better in such a setting. Disappointed to hear that isn't the case.

Has anyone tried botanical remedies, like grapeseed extract?

This is something i have been working on since i was 20, i have severe ADHD.

cons: - inability to listen very well.
- think more about what you are doing then the social ques that the lady's are giving off.
- vice versa its hard to notice sometimes if a girl is interested or not.
- impacients when it comes to phone texting (seems needy)
- some times it can be hard to find the "groove" in a bar

pros: - if you can figure out how to beat approach anxiety there is nothing like having ADHD, you can throw yourself into conversations effortlessly.
- Independent spirit, some women love a man with an independent spirit ADHD gives you this in flying colors.
- being able to talk to so many people demonstrates a higher value.
Get out there, be yourself, stay positive, when a conversation gets boring walk away, it will keep her guessing. MY ADHD brothers and (sisters) we have to work extra hard but it can be done, don't lose hope.
- :earn to develop your style, it will take time, but never give up.

Oh, one more thing dump the meds, you will feel way more confident about your accomplishments if you don't pump yourself with meds every chance you could get.

This is absolutely how ADHD I'am, and how it effected my life without me realizing it. INNER GAME

I was put on Ritalin when I was about 7 years old, so roughly 1973/4. My sister went to the Dr. and while he was examining her I jumped off the chair onto his back (ADHD in full bloom). Well here comes the drugs, and here comes the issues. I went from sleeping 3 hours a night to full nights, I could put 2 building blocks together without having the urge to throw or break them. Most of all I was socially acceptable, except the shit storm was still in full force in my head! When your ADHD you hear a lot of people criticize you for being disruptive, distracted, destructive, lazy, stupid, etc... Well the drugs only slowed me down enough to start hearing them and listening (low-self esteem). By the time my parents crazy marriage was over and I was socially medicated I was a rolling basket case, I had deep depression and a low self esteem that could anchor a battleship. Back then they took you off the medications by the time you were 13 years old. Well think of it this way, do you like your coffee in the morning? Well imagine being happily jacked naturally, and someone deciding that it was in your best interest to chill you out (No Coffee).
I rolled threw life without a clue what was wrong with me, other than I was sluggish, moody, always angry, and wished I had someone that could understand me. Thank god for Punk, I had a family of misfits and we were all mad as hell, angry, outsiders, and going to accept each others fucked up ways because we all were broken people banded together. I graduated 3rd from the bottom of a school with a class of 1,000 plus, so special ED kids graduated higher. Fun Fact : I have a 140 IQ, with the formal education of a 4th grader.
Well I fought and self medicated till I was 21 years old, and excelled at it.
This is all great if your looking to spend your life in prison or dead, and I was hoping for the later. I broke away from the punk scene because it had changed and I no longer had a family.
Again I'm without a family and have a personality of a sociopath, depressed as hell and angry I start my life in the NORMAL world, but I don't see peoples ways, expressions, tones as friendly or comforting I see them as ??? that fill me with anxiety and loneliness that fuel my rage and depression. Then I find my way into to a Gym (Thx Henry Rollins) and found a little solace. THEN I found the sauce, well I went from angry introvert to walking on cloud nine. All people became more interested in me, and smiled at me making me more apt to feel accepted. I became social and took out all my rage at the gym, and the more I took out the rage the bigger I got the more interested people were in me!!! But I never went back and looked at my issues, that's where this story has its merit. I met a girl at the gym, and in ADHD social misfit style married her within 9 months, and before the 1 year anniversary of our first date had our first child. She was broken as well and wanted a strong protecting man with the hitch that she was resentful of any man having control over her. In my rush to mend my family issues by righting them with my family I didn't realize that I did not have the tools of life and I forgot I was a ADHD mess, and I made bad choices.

1-I didn't value myself so I chose someone who didn't either.
2-I let her choose me, I didn't want to see the broke person she is.
3-I tried to make her happy betting on her in return giving me happiness.
4-I let my inner game choose down to meet my low self worth
5-I did this to myself by not knowing myself, and not listening to myself saying things were bad early.

The end of the story is guys, I have just moved out and starting life over. I'm depressed and angry but want to fix myself for myself this time. Here is a list of shit my not being in control has cost me:

My Children's respect, a foundation they deserved, a good Father they deserved
What little self esteem I had built
20 years
My Sanity
15 million in income and properties (Smart on the play ground, dumb in the classroom) Net worth now -20K
My Business

Society says you’re ADHD… I say your biggest problem, judging just by your ‘tone’ in your post…
that your biggest problem is self-esteem and lack of self-confidence..

ADHD is just something prescription drug companies created to make a market for their new medications..

BE YOURSELF… and most of all be confident — work on it… I have had times where I felt insecure and totally
pathetic in the past. I came up with all types of excuses that psychologists and stuff could call ADD or OCD or
Codependent. at times i forced myself out of it — why? cause I had to FORCE it out.. it wasn’t granted or guaranteed — it takes work.. and u got be vigilant =. etc.. It took me a while to self-realize and that helped my ADD probs too — but I’ll space out sometimes too — and that’s ok.. because I own it.. and don’t let it impede my control over my own emotions or whatever.. sometimes I get setbacks.. but when I do — i see the failures as opportunities to really dig deep and solve problems that were formerly blind spots and feel grateful that I’m now aware.. and I’m really disciplined in not letting it happen again.. sometimes it takes a few knocks in the head to click.. but when it does.. u got to use it as rocket fuel for awesome exploration and bad ass charisma spark flying.. I noticed whenever I was having problems with my game because I was unhappy with myself for whatever it was unsatisfactory in my current state of my life.. but there’s a difference between knowing what needs to be done.. and then pushing yourself to do it.. but if you man up… you can do it.. don’t lose confidence or let society mind fuck you into believing you’re some kind of quasimodo motherfucker.. own it.. and seize the day.
I wasn’t living up to my own potential and then I got angry! and forced myself to improve! and that means — therapy, meditation, READING consistently, learning, pushing myself to exercise and eat healthy, take care of myself.. Accepting my shortcomings and then working actively on addressing them and trying to overcome them.

AMEN BRO… I can relate.. it sucked, but believe me when I say glory is fucking sweeter now! And All those millions… you can’t take it with you.. sure you’re down in the dumps now.. you feel like a failure.. You’re in shit — right? I feel you bro.. I was there — but realize that you’re not dead.. and you may hate yourself and feel responsible for not giving your family the life they deserve.. But — you’re not dead yet.. and the day you forgive yourself and begin to heal is the day you will attract the things you want vs. chase them..

TURN THAT SHIT AROUND!!

GET MOTIVATED!

Don’t buy into that Gatsby shit, “in life there’s no second acts..”

That’s bs.. in life — there’s no first acts… —— and redemption is fucking sweet..
which means.. you still have time Pull it out bro… whatever it takes… get angry
Keep head up..

Listen to this advice… You’ll appreciate it..
Remember that !