I am trying to push the boundaries of where I can touch her at any given opportunity. While hands and arms are always open (the "class 1" areas according to the Escalation Ladder), it's the abdomen, legs and back area that continue to elude me, i.e. the class 2 areas. I sparingly get comments from a girl like, "My back is a bit sore," in which I have the perfect remedy in the form of a back massage. But these kind of opportunities are few and far between.

So I'm just wondering, have any of you guys messed up the kino escalation, say put your arm around a girl before it was "allowed", and what did she do? Did she sit there nervously quiet? Did she throw your arm/hand off? Did she get up and leave?

Ok bro. The beauty about this Kino malarky is they don't actually have the time to tell you to get off and as long as you stick to the ladder they won't even get upset or angry about a thing.

You however will never be able to touch her anywhere you want at any given opp, you have to progress to allow her to get comfortable with your touch. Climb the ladder.

The key to kino is timing and the push away. Soo....

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Touch her on the forearm ever so lightly.

Hold for one sec.

Then slide off. (push away)
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This is not really meant to be in silence so you can also add verbal shit in like this:

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"your soo cute" Touch her on the forearm ever so lightly

Hold for one sec

"But I'm just not sure about you". Then slide off. (push away)

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I would say use less talking/normal social rules as you progress up the ladder. You don't need her to ask you for a back rub. Just touch her on the back, I like the insult combined kino:

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"your terrible at getting served" Wait for the reaction "OMG im only kidding babe" Touch her on the back

Hold for one sec

"Gosh shes touchy". Then slide off. (push away)

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So easy and she cannot get mad or freak out, she just becomes more comfortable with you touching her playfully. Like a fly in a web. Just keep doing this sort of shit. Then isolate and like i said get a bit more intense/ sexually playful. This is when you can start holding for longer and talking more honestly about shit. Don't see this as seperate activity to everything else, it is combined and you should be doing this all the time. Progressing up that ladder. If your smart she won't get angry, she might not be happy with you progressing ONE step (never go more than 1 unless ur confident) but just keep working your game and trying and she will eventually give in. If its not working she will move, negative body language, awkward facial expression, her friends will try and help her. You should be feeling for this. Just do it and you will calibrate.

Don't think about messing up think about it working.

I see I had the wrong idea about kino. If a guy has an arm around a girl, they must be really comfortable together, like they might be boyfriend-girlfriend, whereas I am still at the stage of attraction. In which case, kino is still transient, as you said, playing around with light touches. We'll see how this goes, might be unnatural at first though but thanks.

I've had this happen a couple times before. The trick I learned is to freeze her out, give her negative body language and ignore her. If you've had a solid game up to this point she should try and re engage you. If after a minute this doesn't happen start talking again and restart kino escalation from the beginning.
And if you fail again move on. I personally would say something like... "Wow they look like fun!" Loud enough so she can hear me and head to the next set, if you're lucky she follow and help open the set and provide social proof.

Good luck!

When your kino gets rejected on a regular basis, you have to ask yourself what exactly you're doing wrong. Mantissa00 has some good suggestions for improving your game.

But as you learn, there are two things you can do. First is treat her rejection as a shit test. She's testing your frame. Will you back down and whimper all intimidated and apologetic for touching her back or trying to kiss her cheek? Don't. Stick to your frame and act as if you could care less. I'd try again some short time later under different circumstances. But if you try a second or third time and she still isn't receptive, then a freeze-out is in order (see Blackveil).