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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:15 pm 
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Okay, So I've read re-read Mystery's Book. I've even listed and re-listened to his part in Style's Annhilation DVD. I just can't seem to get a hold of what to do in A3 Male to Female Interest. I'm good up to this point but it seems like I'm always muttering through.

In A2, Female to Male interest you neg your target and DHV yourself to the obstacles. You wait for her to give you IOI's. Then you slowly return them and that is when A3 starts as I understand it.

How do I get her to bring up stuff to show that I'm interested? Outside of giving just suttle IOI's. Or do you think the suttle IOI's like with body language and stuff is enough, and of course not negging as much.

Routines and Ideas are welcome and appreciated.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:15 pm 
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giving just suttle IOI's. Or do you think the suttle IOI's like with body language and stuff
Using body language would definitely be a good way to show interest. For example when a girl shares something cool with me (and I have gotten some IOI's and I am in A3) I will look from her eyes and to her mouth. Then as I look her in the eyes again I lick my lips slowly and indicate sexual interest this way. I find that this works just as good as verbal IOI's.

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For some reason I don't exactly follow the whole A3-C1-C2 model. I know how it works, but when I look back at how I'm progressing with my set, I basically just assume I'm in one of the levels. The reason I just guess where I am is because it's hard to exactly pinpoint the level every single time. We're not exactly mind readers... we just know from experience how well things work. Even if we feel like we've attracted them enough, we might not have done as much as we thought... you know? Girls show interest in different ways, they show emotions in different ways... so WE are the ones who need more time to read them as well.

You just gotta feel it out, when you're gaming them and you just pay attention to how many IOIs you get... how much they like you, how needy they are getting.

Usually comfort begins when you start related in some way and she likes that. When they say "me too, i'm just like that" or you start hearing words like "and WE could blah blah blah". the word "We" is huge when you hear it come from their mouth, because it shows that she's comfortable with you. By then you're probably in C2. I use it as a way to gain their trust. Maybe act like you guys have been friends forever, and people will love you for that.

I fluff, I just get to know the person and eventually they like you so much you can assume you're already in the comfort level. Negs, acting alpha, being cocky/funny will help you seduce her later. Push/Pull works WONDERS!

The way I see it is it's one giant roller coaster. The Attraction Phase at any of the levels you're just demonstrating value, showing that you're not like every other guy. You're being nice, but you have a slight jerk in you (from the negs and acting alpha/leading). They'll find you mysterious and they'll like that so they should want to get to know you more (if you do things right). Then you play nice guy with less negs just to gain rapport, get to know them... isolate them, make them invest time, make them qualify. Comfort comes with mirroring in body language, similar interests, and any other ways that could help you become a potential "boyfriend" or relationship material. You don't necessarily need to say that though, you can just be happy getting to know people and dating... you can let them know that. The key is to make them fall in love with you, and to make them better than you found them. That's how I handle it at least.

Seduction is sort of like Attraction where you stop being nice because you gotten to know her more, so you go back to the "other you" where you neg more often, act alpha, but most importantly you push/pull and pass her LMR.

Just guess where you are based on your own style. Assume you're at a certain stage based on how she's reacting and how well you're doing. It shouldn't really matter anyway. Caring too much about A2-A3-C1 might just be stressful because you're going to feel like you're at a sticking point and you need to do more to pass it. You should focus more on what's going on in the set and prepare your next "moves". Save the time for analyzing, that's what a lot of this is about. Read the other person like you would in poker...

Haha, sorry if I didnt help much. Basically don't worry TOO much about it. The theory of Attraction-Comfort-Seduction is smart, but the thing is if they're interested then you can always go back and add more of each til you get the final result (f-close). I think mystery just intended to teach us how some guys skip a step. They go from attraction to comfort and stay in the LJBF zone, they skip attraction and go strait to comfort and they come off as needy. They skip comfort and go to seduction too fast and they look like they just want sex. Touch all the bases with enough time and you don't really need to worry about where you're at =).

good luck...

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You're right Casual I'm thinking about the method way too much! I just need to get through the opening, focus on the AFC and the negs and just let it flow from there. My mind is logical and gets a bit rigid. It takes an effort from me to be more social and extroverted. I'll relax more and just let it roll from opening to comfort to seduction.

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hey man,
i think the key to A3 is qualification. your showing interest but only once she has earned it. For example try an adaption of Mystery's Bait-Hook-Reel-Release method:

PUA: "Hey... are you Swedish?" (Bait)
HER: "Yes... why?" (Hook)
PUA: "Oh my god... I'm a SUCKER for Swedish girls..." (Reel)
PUA: "I can't even talk to you anymore..." (Release)

Or this line.. "Hey, at first you seemed kind of dull... but now that I've talked to you a bit more, you're pretty fun." I love this line it works wonders :)

also A3 is a great time to run the "what elese have you got going for you besides your looks routine. once she answers be really impressed, and yeh as freelife said throw in some positive bodylanguage etc..

hope this helps?
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Thanks "HITCH!" I'll use that when I'm out Friday night. Got a birthday coming up on Sunday. So, a night out sarging with friends this Friday.

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