Finding more moments to do kino. What am I missing?



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:24 pm 
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A big sticking point for me is kino escalation. Not being a very touchy feely guy to begin with, I am having trouble finding moments where it is natural to touch. 

I have read pretty much everything on the subject and have a very good understanding about which touches are appropriate at any moment during smooth kino escalation. That is not the problem.

My first strategy was to find moments where I can emphasize a point and use these to do kino. What I am finding out however is that those moments are few and far apart.

Thinking about this dilemma I have come up with the following possible ways to kino more.

1. Use any time you open your mouth as a moment to initiate kino. 
2. Don't create or look for any 'moments' but just kino out of the blue.

I bet the second option works for guys for whom kino escalation is already very natural but I doubt it seems natural for me. Haven't tried the first one yet.

This is really getting on my nerves as I have no problem opening, having conversations, my body languge is great etc. 

I pretty much open now by just introducing myself and get away with it every time. So how do you guys approach this 'kino moment' issue?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:01 pm 
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Here are some of my thoughts on this.

First of all i don't know if it's that important to go super smooth. I've done NO kino before the kiss, and kissed her succesfully. After the kiss NO kino and had sex. I've also gone straight in for the kiss, and closed it.

But those are maybe bad examples because it does help a bit to go smooth. My first rules are that if i'm flirting i TOUCH TO TEASE. a slight tap on her shoulder, or on her leg if were sitting down. I might also tap her to get her attention. I also give high fives and if she says something really interesting/funny/agrees with me on a thing i especially like, i might give her a hug. If she has glasses, it's fun to play with them.

These kinds of things i do early on in the interaction. If we go longer into a conversation i think it's KEY that when you're just the two of you that you sit SIDE BY SIDE and your LEGS ARE TOUCHING. I might talk about something and then say, you're such a cool girl and grab her into my armpit and give a good one handed bear hug. If she has long hair it's fun to play with them; make a moustache or beard out of them for her and you. If she let's you play with her hair you're going to kiss at some point if you go for it strongly enough.

That brings me to a second KEY PRINCIPLE which is KINO WITH AUTHORITY. no airhand hugs, don't be afraid to touch. Good solid high fives and hugs. What ever you do, don't do it 50%.

hope this helps =)


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Thanks for your thoughts. :)

When you did no kino before a kiss close, did you rely on seductive eye contact or something to pull that off?

Summarizing great moments on which to kino:
- Emphasizing a point
- Get her attention
- Reward her for something she said or did (gets you a drink, holds something for you)
- Investigate or play with her hair, hands, glasses, necklace, earrings
- Sitting or standing close next to each other which causes touching of legs etc.
- Declare you like her ("you're such a cool girl") and hug her or something similar
- Moving her / guiding her (taking her hand, hand on lower back)

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- Introducing your self (hold hand until she lets go)
- Push aways when she says something 'bad', pull in when she says something 'good'
- Loud venue: touch cheeks speaking

And of course do it all with conviction :)

This should already increase the amount of kino I do. Additions to this list are of course very welcome.


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I actually think that without good strong eye contact it's impossible to create anything but her disliking you.

If you get deep rapport with the girl andyou've created attraction (in all of these eye contact is VERY IMPORTANT) you definitely can go for the kiss without prior kinoing.

They say that "the eye is the mirror of the soul" - i believe this 100 %. Start looking at peoples eye and try to make an observation about that person. Is he/she happy? sad? CONFIDENT? once you do this for a while you'll get INSTANT gut reactions which tell you what kind of person that is. and that gut reaction is 99% of the time spot on.

So when you give a girl eye contact she can INSTANTLY tell if you're confident. And girls are extremely perceptive about these things. I mean she can tell what you're feeling inside, and you can tell too with a little practice. There's no lying with the eyes. There's only no eye contact, and that's always a bad sign.

If you're eye contact is good, you feel confident, the woman can totally sense this -> she starts to feel attraction. You go into rapport with her and share your feelings to get her feeling -> more attraction. She can read the stuff you feel when you tell your cool story through your eyes. You're in deep rapport with her and you start to feel your stomach twisting, you feel a bit anxious, full of energy -> that's sexual tension and attraction in works. So don't kill the this tension by going in to your head thingking about the next move, go in for the kiss, or better stay with the tension and let her kiss you first.

It's ALL in the eyes. This has happened to me numerous times. And if you're sharp you might notice that that's pretty much a 1 2 3 process of you meeting her and going for the kiss without ANY KINO.

But you've summarized a great list of good times to do kino. It does help with the comfort and that legs touching things brings real intimacy to the interaction. She's feeling a ton of vibes and probably is not even listening to what you have to say, she's just going "whee i like this guy!"


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I've got a few alternative avenues for you. Some are a bit unorthodox but may in fact work better for you than the "start small & early and keep going."

1) Start with a tap on one shoulder and approach from the other side (if you approach from out of sight) or hold on to her hand at the intro until she lets go (can take minutes). That sets the stage. Then keep touching her: push her away when she says something "bad"; pull her in for the hug if she says something "good"; if it's loud, lean in to talk until your cheeks touch (allows you to hold for a while, creates sexual tension since she can't see your face, lets her smell your cologne, lets you put your hand on her back or around her waist in the front).

2) Kino less and let her do the work. You can be a lot more passive but tease the hell out of her. I use a lot of outrageous C&F and then withhold kino. Again, that creates sexual tension, and she will start hitting/kicking/pinching you. At that point, you can stay course, or pull her in for the reconciliatory hug.

3) Completely withhold kino. This way you build the most sexual tension possible to the point where she's ready to explode. Keep going a bit past that point and then go straight for the kiss. That may still be unsatisfying to her, so she'll want you to take her right then and there. If, eventually, she complains about you not having kissed her, go for the kiss right then but do it in a playful manner (because now you're complying with her). I like to throw my scarf around her neck and pull her in; reach around her lower back, swiftly pull her close, and do and exaggerated kiss whilst bending her backwards like a dancer; whatever stupid idea pops into my head really. Just don't make her wait much longer once she voices objection at having to wait. *** This also works with sex. Tease and foreplay until she bursts, and the sex will be all the better.

4) Set up your kino verbally. I'm very direct and very sexual, so I have no problem talking about things that turn me on or turn women on about me. Example, I like women with a nice booty (who doesn't). So, I tell her that and that she's probably no good for me. She objects. I reach around and take a good feel. Alternatively, I sometimes bet her who's got a nicer ass, which of course needs to be sorted out right then and there. Do this with whatever body part suits your fancy.


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