First of all I'd just like to say thanks to the seduction community for helping get to a point where I can actually get a sticking point at LMR . anyway...

The last three girls I've picked up I've managed to get back to my room where we've made out and gotten topless. My problem is as soon as my hands wander down, the girls instantly get defensive and pull my hands back. Ive tried spending more time up top with foreplay and slowly turning them on before venturing back, but i'm constantly turned away.

I know the obvious answer is I suck at foreplay, but the girls have told me I'm making them wet, how much they want me ect. and I'm fairly sure from their breathing and body language their not lying. But as soon as I return down even if its over top of pants or panties they stop me.

Ive tried freeze outs but they either came off as pouty on my part or once things resumed I would hit the same LMR again.

Ive tried having them touch themselves to limited success. Ive finally gotten frustrated and asked them why not (which I realize wasn't the best idea) and Ive received multiple answers from "because its you", "Your such a player" , "I don't do that" or "I kinda like another guy"

Ill be honest I have pretty limited experience with this and I realize a lot of it has to do with practice and being comfortable but since this is something that's more difficult to practice repeatedly I'm hoping you have some advice to speed up the learning curve.

I assume this isn't just coincidence of getting three girls all in a row that don't like or want sex. (especially since they have all said they're not virgins)

I've considered that I come off like to much of a player and they don't want me to think they're sluts, but I'm not really sure how I work on that aside from being more afc or way more natural

Any help would be greatly appreciated

yeh exactly... you're making them feel like sluts lol... instead of all these LMR freeze outs just dont fuck on first dates lol... play harder to get... i never get LMR because im always playing hard to get... so when it comes time to have sex they're more willing because they think they will have to work as hard again just to get you into bed...

What im trying to say is you're not building enough comfort with them... build more comfort and rapport and you wont even know what LMR is anymore lol

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Hehe, what i do, is we make out, and when we get to the point of having sex, i stop her, and say, mmm, i'm trying to be celibate... so i don't think this is going to work out

they want it more after that