So I was at this bar with a couple of friends. I saw two HB7's sitting down and drinking.

Immedtiately, I walk up to them.

Me: Hey, I need an opinion on something.

Target: Yeah?

Me: How would you react if you dated a guy that is best friends with his ex?

Target: Oh I wouldn't mind. If they truly love each other, they should ignore that.

Me: Well you see, my friend John has this problem. His girlfriend is best friends with her ex. And as matter of fact, she has pictures of him in her drawer. How's that for a friendship?

Target: Oh now it becomes a little complicated. Maybe they should talk to each other or something. But it shouldn't be a bigger problem.

NOW WHAT? What are you supposed to do after the opener?

I got stuck here, said "thanks for the help" and just left. I went totally blank! Don't know how to develop this. If you explain this detailed to me, I will appreciate it.

Thanks.

I have never used that opener and never do use scripted openers ive read a thousand times on here already and have been viewed by millions of people on numerous tv shows and tv specials. You are likely to meet a girl who has heard it. Another one to avoid is "hey guys, quick opinion..." Ive been out with female friends before and had guys come up to us and say these four words and instantly i have said:
"Well if it isn't fucking Neil Strauss, let's see your game."


However, if I had been in that situation, here's how I would attempt to carry on the conversation.

Me: Well you see, my friend John has this problem. His girlfriend is best friends with her ex. And as matter of fact, she has pictures of him in her drawer. How's that for a friendship?

Target: Oh now it becomes a little complicated. Maybe they should talk to each other or something. But it shouldn't be a bigger problem.

Me: Well actually (and now start smiling and talk in a low voice as if you are telling her a secret) John is over there behind me and it gets a bit worse than that, but seriously you can't tell him ok?

Target: Ok

Me: Well, (now start smiling even more) some of these pictures were a bit.....how should i put it?...(trail off)

Target: What? Dirty?

Me: (laughing) yeah. Like downright pornographic. And do you know it gets even worse? Seriously, if he comes over here you can't mention this. He would kill me if he knew I was repeating this.

Target: Ok ok.

Me: Well he said that looking at these pictures of his gf with another guy....He said it was like one of the most intensely sexual experiences of his life.

Target: [Anything]

Me: What do you think he should do?

I see what you are saying. I will strongly consider your advice, thanks.

Here is what my real problem is: The opener worked fine, actually. It can be better, I know, but this time it worked really well. So the problem is that I don't know what to do after the opener?

How do I use a transition into more personal conversations? I don't really get the part after the opener.

But thanks for your advice, it will probably improve my game a bit

Verbally, the transition into a more personal conversation only took place at the very end when I asked her "what do you think her should do?"

However, the mood was instantly more personal as soon as I started talking to them like it was a secret. Women love scandal and secrecy and so I'm drawing them into a real life days of our lives for an evening.

The most important thing in all of this comes from probably the greatest single piece of pick up advice ever published by anyone in the community, and that advice is from The Game by Neil Strauss where Mystery explains that the most important thing about an Alpha Male is his smile. Smiling is probably more important than any other single thing you can do.

Okay, I see. I get what I'm supposed to do now. Thank you for the help!

So after an opener, I should do a transition by for example making it as a "secret" and sort of whisper, and then somehow move it into a DHV story or something?

I think I sort of get it, correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks anyway

Well not exactly. The whole "secret" thing was just appropriate for that particular instance because it suited what I was talking about. Acting secretively made sense cos obviously you wouldn't want your friend to hear you telling strangers about his possible gayness.

It's more that that is the kind of thing you would usually talk about with people you know much better. If the DHV story (and personally I don't like that term, but I suppose that's what this is) is different, then you would have to use a different style - it doesn't make sense to act like it's a secret if there's no one to keep a secret from.

It might seem odd and sometimes I do in fact say:
"I don't know why I'm telling you so much of this, but anyway" and continue. Just make sure it is something women find interesting. Relationships, sex, scandal - not the precise mathematics used to rescue the crew of the apollo 13.

Alright, I think it's clear to me now. Thank you for the help, and I will give it a try

The whole point of the opener is to open, after that the lack of conversational material can be made up for by keeping one piece of information locked in your mind. That is, to everything they say play the devil's advocate, as in take the opposite point of view, keep probing with different questions or statements. In your example you could simply just carry on with something alone the lines of "That is what I thought until he told me that he overheard her talking to him one night"...or just challenge whatever the target says, "You really think this does not make things incredibly complicated." So until your mind can formulate some good way to break off onto a new tangent just keep applying this technique until the environment becomes socially conducive for a phase change out of that line into a different direction, possibly triggered by kino. There in lies a debate into some finer points in the game, the stages of phase changes. Hope this helps.

This is probably the most accurate answer I've got so far. I understand what you mean. I will try it the next time I'm in field. Yes, it was helpful and appreciated. Thanks.

I never use material if I haven't thought of the previous and next routine - next in the case of the opener. that's why I'm a big fan of routine stacks


In your case, you could have started talking about her like, why do you think so, or 'so you're a jealous one'... I don't really know, I like to have my following line in mind before even going out

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