Hi everyone,

as you can see, this is my fist post and I am quite new to the game. I am from Germany and not a native speaker of English so excuse linguistic mistakes I might make. But straight to the point.

I would say, I have a few sticking points, but this is the one that has pi**** me off most, lately. Here is what happened.

I went to a club with a girl that I knew from my student hall. She had given me kind of ambigous signals before that, but after I DHVed I got some IOIs and it looked quite well. So we went to the club and talked a bit and started dancing. It went froma more neutral, to very hot dancing, very close and lots of kino. A mistake at this point might have been, that I didn't kiss-close. We arranged a date for the next day, though.

So far so good (more or less), on the next day she cancelled our date because she didn't have enough time, which really was true. We had a small discussion afterwards with the result of me ending up in friend zone.

I had a similar situation a while ago and it is really annoying, as it appears at a point where I had already invested quite a lot (not money).

So, what do you think could have been my mistake here. A few ideas of me are, that I got a little bit too chasy at some point or that I didn't close properly. Another explenation might be that they already had a crush on some other guy and remembered that again on the next day.

Do you have any recommondations on how to get out of the friend zone again without completely destroying the relationship, as I see this girl almost every day in our shared kitchen?

Thanks for your help,
Nemo

read up on gunwitch method, u need to close that the same night.

if ur failing to get day2's and closing then I think u need that approach.

u need to bring ur sexuality to the table and take any oppurunity to close her and put her in the frame.

I fully endore the gunwitch method unless ur trying to get a LTR or nething, but there is no reason this isnt possible, apart from if ur tru gunwitch and dont take girls numbers just sex lol.

haha.. im reading and like yeah yeah.. this isnt to bad... then
WHOAWHOAH.. you live with this girl?

well no wonder... she sees you everyday... thats a hella lot to get over in one night...

see here is the deal.. she has seen you every day as one type of person.. i.e. friend friend friend... so you go out and on the dance floor being sexy sexy... great... but as soon as tomorrow comes... she has to get over the fact that every day you have been a friend...

so yeah... for that girl... just go hard core for the seduction...

JMT,
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150 people are killed every year by Falling Coconuts.... 10 by Shark Attack.

I couldn't find any stats on death from approaching a woman.

Thanks for your fast replies. I'll check out gunwitch. So far I have never heard of it.

@fealin lucky: I don't really live with this girl, our kitches is huge, made for over 500 people. I have started talking to her only recently and have actually tried not getting into friend zone from the beginning.

But now that I'm in it, which way should I go? DHVs, Negs, kino etc.?

DHV, Negs, CnF... arent single routes, u need to find a combination of them that works for u....

I will shed a little light, here is my normal combo to guarantee K+# closes everytime.


Approach
Opener - usually observational, never canned

CnF - Normally make some egotistical joke about myself.

Kino - Just a tap on the arm or an arm round motioning to a seat

Neg - I always neg after kino, she knows ur interested coz of kino yet u neg to keep her on her toes

DHV w/kino - I spend sometime conversational time talking bout my custom DHV routine and spend the whole time illustrating with body language and kino on her

Neg - Again neg before the close, she thinks ur the bollocks thanks to strong DHV now u need to beat her down

Isolate - Take her to dance, to the bar, to a couple chilled area,

Close - Watch for IOI's i normally wait until shes looked at my lips 3 times when ive been talking, hopefully its noisey so u can speak into her ear and more closely, as u move away from talkin look at her lips, if when u look up at her eyes she lookin at ur lips close it down

from here its down to u, i sumtimes then work into my Fclose routine, which for a different day children, but yeah the steps above never fail and ive used them to Fclose in 30mins, twice.....