arite long story short, i'm great at meeting girls, getting numbers, i'm very straightforward and honest i dont use that much game really, only initially in order to introduce myself and build that attraction etc.

now heres my problem, i get great girls, we go out to a party, for a coffee, whatever, and then i never know how far to push for in a close. i'll always k-close, its to be expected, but at what point do i push for more, or should i wait for more ideal circumstances?

ex: we have a coffee, talk for awhile, i walk her to her car and we make out for abit, should i just be like 'theres more room in the back' or what?

try changing up your game a little bit. look into meeting women on friday and sat nights to try and fully close. i know its not the ultimate objective for everyone, but it might help you improve that aspect of your game and help assess really what you want to achieve with each individual girl. when I find a girl I think I could spend a long time with, I typically wont fuck her the first week or two after I meet her, I enjoy the build up over time. on the other hand, one night stands and fuck-buddies arent the worst things in the world.

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GRAND. you are ridiculous. I love it, you just came up with your own confident line to use. It came natural. SAY IT! If it works, it works, if it doesnt, it doesnt. You are good, because those are the right things to say. 'theres more room in the back" thats something i would say. Go ahead and start making out with her. nibble her ear, say "we need to stop, really" but keep on. The whole point is to act like you are the man, but you don't give a fuck what happens.

It sounds like if you push further, you'll get resistance. Just do it anyway and come up with a plan to get past LMR.

Yeah, do what you said. Best thing to do is just to go for it. In the words of Gunwitch, I think, make the ho say no. If she says no, fine move on, if she says yes, you're in. Only once you've tried full closes will you know how to and where to improve.