so i kno this HB8 for almost a year, we started out as friends, never thought i would like her. but recently i fell for her. i told her, because i feel like if i dont, everything i do, she would take it the friend way. she told me she wasn't ready, since the finals and summer is coming up, we wont see each other for 3 months during summer. and i kno she had sex with this guy twice a while ago and likes him, but he never called her.

for a while it was awkward. but i handled it well, i acted like nothing happened. but recently, i started kino attack, she likes it, but sometimes she tries to avoid it, sometimes she would return some kino like stroking my hair. anyway, we got closer recently. we talk and joke like before, sometimes we would hold eye contact for like 30 seconds or longer.

so last night, her roommate's bf is here, so she came to my room to sleep, coz my roommate wasn't here. she does it alot before i told her i like her. so i thought she wants me, at least a little, since she knew i like her and still came in. she went to my roommate's bed first, then came to my bed to watch this movie with me. she leaned on my shoulder, and i stroked her arm and hair. but every time im ready to make a move she would turn her back on me. then she just said shes tired and went to my roommates bed and fell asleep. this morning, she was in my bed for 5 minutes, sleeping while i was up, then i lay down, but again, she has her back to me, avoid eye contact, or talk about school.

i dont know what is going on, i feel she likes me, does she want me? or she just still see me as a friend? is it that she doenst want me, or shes just waiting for my move, should i just grab her face and kiss her? or is just dont wanna get into anything before we leave? TONIGHT IS THE LAST NIGHT before we leave, so please! help out!!

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Ok my experience of this and I'll make it clear from the get go that I am no "know it all" this is just my opinion from experience.

Right I cant stand women like this but I think her actions are going on what you've already given her. By this I mean... She knows you like her, women like to be the centre of attention so she knows she can sleep in your bed, sit and watch films with her and basically do all the "boyfriendy" or worse still "friendly" things with you... It sounds to me one of two things... Either your in the "LJBF" zone or shes just REALLY nervous ...

If she was a virgin I'd say shes nervous but if shes tasted the forbidden fruit, fcuked another guy then I'd say that it's not going to happen and shes just in the mindset that she gets attention from you so its convienient (cant spell it) for he to keep coming back to you... IE she knows all she has to do is turn her back when your getting to close and you get the message...

The best solution for this???? Go get another girl and test her out... Or if thats not possible then at least make out that you have interest from someone else.

Just say something like "so yeah I was in the canteen earlier and this new girl called blah blah from blah blah asked me to show her round, so i did and we're going to the movies/dinner/her place next week, cool huh?"

And say it in a friendly way like your talking to one of the boys... She'll then either think "oh right hes gonna start seeing someone I need to show interest" or "ah right hes looking elsewhere i will too"

The thing you need to be wary of is that you dont get stuck in the mindset of "one it is" and you've already shown her your poker hand by saying "i like you"

In my opinion theres only one solution here... Shit-test HER ASAP and make her work on you or show her the door, because shes in controll at the moment and if your on a PUA forum surely it should be the other way around??

Good luck with whatever and remember theres something like 13billion girls in the world, if shes an 8 then theres 2 HB sets above her!!!

Numpty

PS... this may sound a bit abrupt but I see these posts all the time from people in college/highschool/university - Whatever and its always the same "but I really like her" etc etc - I just get bored hearing AFCs all the time, its nothing personal...

i am occasionally seeing someone, and she knows way before i told her i like her, for a couple of times, she knew i was having dinner with someone, and she doesnt seem natural when i get back from dinner. but she told me once that we have deep connections and she doesnt want to ruin it just by going out with me and broke up later, i dont know if shit changed since then

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I would just say to yourself "do you need the hassle?"

To be honest in this situation I would just use her for the same things shes doing - well its not even using - your friends, friends goto movies, sleep with each other without having sex, etc etc...

I'd just have her in mind of "someone togo to movies with thats fun to hang out with - but not to do anything sexual with". I'd say find the US equivilant of sayng as we do in the UK "yes mate" instead of perhaps "yes babe" or whatever indicating friends, and just make it clear to her that "your not interested anymore other than friends".

If you've been friends for a year it seems pretty silly to say cut her out of your life completely, but at the same time I wouldn't get too hung up on it... go out meet new girls - if your too young to goto nightclubs then I'd suggest sarging chicks at the mall or whatever, theres some great guides on here for mall sarging.

You might get a chick at the mall and that sorts the whole problem, if you dont... then the very worst that will happen is that you get experience of trying to open groups of girls that are shopping together, and in the mall you can always bounce to get a milkshake or whatever, its pretty harmless, doesn't cost much and will certainly allow you to work on routines like DHV storytelling (KA's post for this is the best i've seen so far... cheers dude )... In fact this is a bloody good idea I think I might try sarging and get them to go for a coffee, makes a change to nightclubs...

Just all in all, I went through all of this "does she, doesnt she" stuff when I was 18,19,20,21,22 but now since I've discoverd this the main thing I've learnt is that you just look elsewhere and get a bit self-rightious ... "she needs to show that shes worthy of MY time" obviously theres a point where you draw the line between being self rightious/confident which can be appealing and sexy and then the extreme of an arogant arsehole which no-one likes... I'd say use this time to get your yard in order and see what works for you. Even if this chick said yes and became your gf, do you really wanna spend the rest of your life with her? I'd say get out and sample all the cookies before placing a life-long order... which is ultimately what relationships are about. Hope that helps some...

Numpty

Use her as a pivot to meet other girls. Take her along and then pass her off to other guys of a set to clear a target. This will get her to see you in your frame and will get you girls at the same time.

When she gets it your bed, kick her out. When she comes over to watch a movie with you, tell her it's a dollar (seriously - give me a dollar or get out...) Then she'll sulk and take her attention away from you. her: fine. then she goes into another room. Then if you pass her later...

you: it's so cute the way you pout when you don't get your way...you remind me of my little sister...hahahahaha.
her: blah, blah, blah.
you: it's a good movie maybe Prince Charming will give you a dollar so you can come back. hahahahah

whatever you do ..... do NOT respond to any question or comment she levels at you.

her: you're acting like a jerk!
afc: no, i'm not
afc: Whatever
afc: i'm sorry

pua: you're fiesty! hahahaha... you remind me of a powerpuff girl! hahahaha [as you enter your room] get that dollar! ahahahahaha

her: You don't need to be this way.
pua: Do you know what movie's coming on next! It's even better! Get to work on that dollar! hahahahaha

her: I don't think I can be around you anymore
afc: [quiet]
afc: don't be like that.
afc: why?
afc: fine.

pua: awwwww...i think it's so cute when you do that...you should put your hands on your hips like my little sister does when she yells...hahahahahaha

That stuff usually works pretty good. I always like detailed info so I also like to provide it if i can. I hope this helps someone.

Be very 'Selective' what material you use here if you take this approach... Remember your friendship is at stake if you mess up!

Reading "Selective's" post (and maybe its because it written and you cant hear the tone) but if a HB was saying something like that and I heard someone responding in that way, I'd probably smack him in the face out of politeness.

The whole point of negging is so you keep it relatively friendly, and if you want a girl as a pivot then you either need to tell her the plan, or be THAT good you dont get busted. If you mean use her to meet new women fair enough, but the last thing you want to do is be a jerk to her...

HBFriend - "Oh hes cute"
HB - "nah hes a jerk"

If she says your being a jerk and means it and then follows up with "you dont need to be this way" then you REALLY need to redeem yourself. Not because of being a AFC but having manners and saying
"look sorry I was out of order lemee make it up to you..." - Then you are open for sexual innuendos, a 'date' - at the least an oppertunity to run game.

I would avoid this info if that's the response it gets. Not sure how many people you've run this on Selective but I can't imagine you've got many results?

Just my opinion

Numpty

thank you guys so much, if u have more suggestions, keep posting, im sure it will help alot of people.

so that night, i actually made a move, we didnt kiss, but my kino got her really aroused, she was breathing heavily and everything, but the next thing you kno, she got up and ran to her room. next day, she left the school for home in the eastcoast, so i wont see her for 3months. i pretty much passed this phase, and started working on some other girls, i feel like sharpening my skills is more important, i cant agonizing over one girl. we are still friends, she texted me yesterday, asking how am i doing.

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