just after some peoples routines i can use for tonight thanks.

Hi, i find that using a simply opener like the girls fighting etc seem to work. I usually start to ignore the girl i intend to sarg and talk to the "ugliest girl". Since the girl I'm aiming for is used to receiving all the ettention is works well. I normally then neg her with things like "wow, you blink a lot". Or if she's crying for attention i say, "wow your demanding"... I then do the esp routine, maybe the cube or hand reading. I then normally get bait closer, talk slower and increase the sexual tension. The other night i did the 5 lie game except with the bet that i would get to kiss her if i lied. It all works mate, GOOD LUCK:)