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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:12 pm 
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Ok, I'mnew to this, but I must say that this stuff generally works from what I've seen.
I applied some of the broader theories about negs/cocky-funny/etc. on a ex-coworker when we were meeting a group of people for drinks afterwards (I read Neil Strauss's book - The Game, but haven't read anything else).
I didn't use any openers because I already knew her, or explicit DHVs or stories or anything.

The only "line" I used was after I had separated her from the group, and gone to a new place, I was having trouble trying to move it to the next step even though I was getting all the right IOIs, so I used neil strauss's "do you want to kiss me?" line. Her response was "I don't know if that would be a good idea." I said "Let's find out" (just as I read to do). I kissed her and she was VERY receptive. We made out at a table in the bar for the next 20 minutes or so.
So, I walk her back to her place, but she doesn't invite me up. I use all kinds of lines - let's go up and watch some t.v., let's go cuddle, let's do X, Y (everything but sex, obviously), but she refuses, BUT she's making out with me the whole time.
I think I actually ended up coming on way too strong and pushy and came too close to the line of "begging" to come up. Anyway, she says she really wants to see me again.

So, 2 days later I text her. There are a couple of emails + a phone call back and forth. However, now I'm getting the vibe that she's not so interested in me and she may regret what happened and blame it on being drunk (but this could be my imagination). We are meeting next week for lunch, which was my idea.

So, I need good tips for day 2. I already have kown this girl for a few months, so we are comfortable around each other, but don't know each other super well. I want to use this 2nd meeting as a way to repair any damage by being too pushy on the first night, and to basically show her that I'm really awesome. Any good ideas for what do to/say? Any good "DHVs" type stories or routines I can do?

(posted this in the newbie section but got no replies. so think of someting good.)


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:00 am 
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Hey man firstly congratulate you on going that far with The Game as your only reference.

What you are getting into is described by Mystery as buyer's remorse. She was genuinely interested in you as a cocky and funny guy. However you did not build enough comfort before seducing (making out with) her, and blew it when begging her to go to the bedroom. She might thought you were just trying to get into her pants.

Fortunately she still wants to see you for a day 2, so here is what I suggest: be completely indifferent to her, project a calm and controlled and friendly image (give her more cocky comments), make it clear that you are seeing her as a FRIEND (not a mate). This way she will feel more secure and thus comfortable around you. She will trace back and probably think that she was exaggerating a bit the other night.

For specific routines I recommend you read Double Your Dating by David DeAngelo, great guy and mentor, all these ideas are originally his.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:49 pm 
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Very insightful on the buyer's remorse thing. That's exactly what's been happening to me. The past several weeks, I've been hooking up with old friends or random people I meet, charming the girls and making out with them at the end of the night and having themwrapped around my finger. However, no matter how in to me they are that night, after the night as over they never want to do a second date and always seem to regret what happened.

Any specific tips on how I can fix that?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:28 pm 
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Simply chasing them will scare them away. I guess you have to find out where they go in the future, stalk along and suddenly appear out of nowhere like you guys just destined to meet each other again. It will possibly buy you another chance if your skin is think enough. Otherwise I suggest forget about them for fresh targets.
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Ok, I'mnew to this, but I must say that this stuff generally works from what I've seen.
I applied some of the broader theories about negs/cocky-funny/etc. on a ex-coworker when we were meeting a group of people for drinks afterwards (I read Neil Strauss's book - The Game, but haven't read anything else).
I didn't use any openers because I already knew her, or explicit DHVs or stories or anything.

The only "line" I used was after I had separated her from the group, and gone to a new place, I was having trouble trying to move it to the next step even though I was getting all the right IOIs, so I used neil strauss's "do you want to kiss me?" line. Her response was "I don't know if that would be a good idea." I said "Let's find out" (just as I read to do). I kissed her and she was VERY receptive. We made out at a table in the bar for the next 20 minutes or so.
So, I walk her back to her place, but she doesn't invite me up. I use all kinds of lines - let's go up and watch some t.v., let's go cuddle, let's do X, Y (everything but sex, obviously), but she refuses, BUT she's making out with me the whole time.
I think I actually ended up coming on way too strong and pushy and came too close to the line of "begging" to come up. Anyway, she says she really wants to see me again.

So, 2 days later I text her. There are a couple of emails + a phone call back and forth. However, now I'm getting the vibe that she's not so interested in me and she may regret what happened and blame it on being drunk (but this could be my imagination). We are meeting next week for lunch, which was my idea.

So, I need good tips for day 2. I already have kown this girl for a few months, so we are comfortable around each other, but don't know each other super well. I want to use this 2nd meeting as a way to repair any damage by being too pushy on the first night, and to basically show her that I'm really awesome. Any good ideas for what do to/say? Any good "DHVs" type stories or routines I can do?

(posted this in the newbie section but got no replies. so think of someting good.)
This whole thing im going to write is based on Vin DiCarlo so credits to him!

Women has 5 primal consequences why they dont sleep with a guy:
1." I met get an STD "
2." I may get pergnant "
3. " This guy may fall in love too quickly and stalk me "
4. Social consequences " My friends/ my co- workers might find out and think im a slut "
5. " If i sleep with him early on it might ruin the chances of a future relationship or friendship "

So what you have to do is to bring these 3, 4 and 5 subjects up when you are talking to her in a playfull way. You know, like saying that "you are going to move abroad within the next few months". So what that sentence does is that it eliminates the fear of stalking and it sorts out the possibble questions about a relationship that might appear inside her head.
Pointer- its good that you skip the talking in sections 1 and 2 but i just wanted to show you that those things move inside her head.

Note: Vin DiCarlo allso talks about his escalation ladder. There are steps involved when you make kino and if you skip the early steps like everyday kino which includes something like high fives, hand shaking, brushing her arm when making a point you will end up seeing these in the LMR. So remember to built your kino up instead of just jumping streight to kissing.

[ Johnny B ]

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Ok, I'mnew to this, but I must say that this stuff generally works from what I've seen.
I applied some of the broader theories about negs/cocky-funny/etc. on a ex-coworker when we were meeting a group of people for drinks afterwards (I read Neil Strauss's book - The Game, but haven't read anything else).
I didn't use any openers because I already knew her, or explicit DHVs or stories or anything.

The only "line" I used was after I had separated her from the group, and gone to a new place, I was having trouble trying to move it to the next step even though I was getting all the right IOIs, so I used neil strauss's "do you want to kiss me?" line. Her response was "I don't know if that would be a good idea." I said "Let's find out" (just as I read to do). I kissed her and she was VERY receptive. We made out at a table in the bar for the next 20 minutes or so.
So, I walk her back to her place, but she doesn't invite me up. I use all kinds of lines - let's go up and watch some t.v., let's go cuddle, let's do X, Y (everything but sex, obviously), but she refuses, BUT she's making out with me the whole time.
I think I actually ended up coming on way too strong and pushy and came too close to the line of "begging" to come up. Anyway, she says she really wants to see me again.

So, 2 days later I text her. There are a couple of emails + a phone call back and forth. However, now I'm getting the vibe that she's not so interested in me and she may regret what happened and blame it on being drunk (but this could be my imagination). We are meeting next week for lunch, which was my idea.

So, I need good tips for day 2. I already have kown this girl for a few months, so we are comfortable around each other, but don't know each other super well. I want to use this 2nd meeting as a way to repair any damage by being too pushy on the first night, and to basically show her that I'm really awesome. Any good ideas for what do to/say? Any good "DHVs" type stories or routines I can do?

(posted this in the newbie section but got no replies. so think of someting good.)
This whole thing im going to write is based on Vin DiCarlo so credits to him!

Women has 5 primal consequences why they dont sleep with a guy:
1." I met get an STD "
2." I may get pergnant "
3. " This guy may fall in love too quickly and stalk me "
4. Social consequences " My friends/ my co- workers might find out and think im a slut "
5. " If i sleep with him early on it might ruin the chances of a future relationship or friendship "

So what you have to do is to bring these 3, 4 and 5 subjects up when you are talking to her in a playfull way. You know, like saying that "you are going to move abroad within the next few months". So what that sentence does is that it eliminates the fear of stalking and it sorts out the possibble questions about a relationship that might appear inside her head.
Pointer- its good that you skip the talking in sections 1 and 2 but i just wanted to show you that those things move inside her head.

Note: Vin DiCarlo allso talks about his escalation ladder. There are steps involved when you make kino and if you skip the early steps like everyday kino which includes something like high fives, hand shaking, brushing her arm when making a point you will end up seeing these in the LMR. So remember to built your kino up instead of just jumping streight to kissing.

[ Johnny B ]
how do you disarm #1

would this even be considered an attempt, maybe tell her a story about how you went to give blood/bone marrow and they keep asking you all these sexual questions such as do you have any STDs. you could then tell her some funny cocky line such as " then i said... i have no STDs, i wouldn't have been able to give blood/bone marrow last time etc.." then at the end you tell her that your results came back negative for any STDs, diseases. as you can see this is my first post, please help this POOR AFC out.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:06 am 
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She wants to see you again or she wouldnt have accept to go out with you again.
Next, I would say dont mention day1 if you feel you came on to strong its only went bad if you think it did. Day2 build a mental connection dont be trying to kiss her. She is alrdy attracted to you physicaly cause she let you kiss her. Just be natural and make her laugh and make her feel like she is honored to be with you, and i dont mean be a dick just slightly cocky good luck.


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