Been having this conversation a lot lately so I figured I'd finally wright my thoughts down.

One of the social laws is value for value.

Noone is offered value for nothing...we give value to recieve value. It goes back to the idea that pure altruism doesn't exist.

Now problems occur when this law is broken.

Most new guys will go into an interaction and try and take value from a person. This comes across as try hard or creepy and makes the other person uncomfortable. It's the most common mistake by far. The second person simply gives value continuously without getting any value back...we call this person the dancing monkey. For him the mere prescence of the person is valuable to him. The third type of guy gives value in every interaction and allows the other person to give value back through qualification, investment, and compliance. When he doesn't recieve these things he begins offering less value by removing his presence and shutting off...he knows the social law and stands by the idea of value for value.

Surprisingly the difference between the 3 people isn't so much what's on the outside but more by their frame of mind. If you feel you are taking value then you are, if you feel you are giving value non stop you are, and if you feel you are giving value for equal value back then you are. The way you feel inside will present itself outside.

Now with Mehow's microloop theory he breaks it down into offering value to a woman through attention validation while recieving value from a woman through physical validation. Basically complimenting her while at the same time kino escalating...value for value.

Many new guys have a hard grasp on this though because they don't FEEL high value and therefor don't believe they have any real value to give. Well what are types of value?

Money, presence, a skillset (such as PU), sex, drugs, social connections or hook ups, or even positive emotions. There's tons of answers to this. Basically what it comes down to is value isn't value when it's not valuable.

Who decides what's valuable? The person you are interacting with. This brings us to the second law of value. It's dependant on the person you are interacting with. Therefore we must elicit their values and then demonstrate it.

Everyone no matter who they are values positive emotions. We all want to feel good and be happy. Almost everything in PU is learning how to pump the girl with these positive emotions therefore generating value to her and from that attraction. However other then this, value is very person dependant.

If I'm gaming a crack head I can easily elicit her values. She values crack. If I'm gaming a party chick I can elicit her values being fun nightlife and social connections. It also works for guys to. If I see a big muscle guy I can easily elicit that he values working out and being strong. Once the values are elicited I can then demonstrate the value they seek...once I know what it is it's much easier.

Often it's harder to tell what a person truly values and you might need to interact for a while, demonstrating value in the form of positive emotions before you can truly sense what it is. This is how all truly great seducers operate...the epitome of this being Cassanova.

Does the girl seek adventure that only you can offer, does she require someone who will truly listen to her, has she been a prude all her life and craves a crazy sexual experience, does she value learning new things about herself and life, does she currently value the idea of a bf or ONS or FB, maybe she values a guy who is sweet and sensitive because she's been hurt many times recently or a tough and brash guy because all she's encountered so far are wussy men. These are the things to find out.

Now many would say that we shouldn't react to their values...we have OUR values and we simply bring them into ours. This is true and essential...again value for value. Just as we provide them the value they seek so to must they provide the value we seek. However we don't have to change who we are to elicit certain values from a girl and then provide them. The most common mistake with community guys is that they tend to become very one dimensional...they are always the same way with no real depth to them. They utter the same cocky funny lines all the time and are incredibly predictable. To truly "be yourself" accept all the different sides of yourself.

Everyone reading this knows I love the nightlife and am passionate in PU. However I also enjoy movie nights and reading books. I'm also a big dork who enjoys sci fi and fantasy. I can be sweet or dorky or a d**k or cool as hell. I have different sides to me and different interests. When I meet someone I figure out what their reality is and what side they value the most and if it's a side that is part of me I then demonstrate that side of me. Then the person knows I'm someone they can relate to and is part of their reality...once that happens I then lead and bring them into my reality. If they value something that isn't really a side of me I can do two things. Either walk away or be open minded and allow them to bring me into their reality and have them show me a new side. Being the teacher role generates a ton of attraction but at the same time allowing yourself to be the student also generates a bond with a person.

These principles are also just as true for men as for women. This is why my "respect from approval frame" is so effective at befriending guys in field. I elicit what they value and show respect for it while maintining an alpha role from an approval frame.

I was also thinkin about this a little more and I realized something. I talk about value 4 value. It's easy (or easier) to understand the value WE give but what kind of value do we expect from the girl? Basically what is the right kind of value for us?....ANYTHING can be value but then we fall into a trap. When we think her presence is value or her IOI's is value or when we get value just by giving her value cause it makes us feel good then we essentially lower the WORTH of our value.

Think of it this way...when you give all these valuable things to a girl and all she does is smile in return she then backwards rationalizes that all the valuable stuff you did is just as valuable as her smile. When this happens you lose value in her mind...DLV.

So what is REAL value from her that we should want? INVESTMENT. Any form of investment on her part is valuable because it means she's working for the interaction. By working for the interaction attraction is generated. What are forms of investment?

Money investment (she buys you a drink)

Time investment (she's spending the whole night with you or meets for a day 2)

Physical investment (she's allowing kino escalation)

Emotional investment (she's telling you interesting stories and qualifying herself so you'll like her and make a connection, pumping you with good emotions INTENTIONALLY)

Compliance investment (she allows you to isolate her, jumps through your hoops)

Protection investment (this doesn't really come up in PU to much...it's like when someone tries to steal your food and you fight them off for it you'll now appreciate your food more cause you invested. Only thing related to this might be running a jealousy plotline and the girl fights off another girl for you.)

If anyone can think of any more examples then put them up.

Psych