i started talking to this hb 8 which i quite like from the office, i finally got talking to her an taught her how to play poker at lunch because she wanted to learn, i did kino, dhvs an i slowly saw her body langauge look better towards me, when she left the bloke next to me said hed neva seen her smile that much, before she left we were talking about goin out on a nyt, i said next time ur in birmingham give me a call, ill fgiv eyou my number.

when we talked all the time she would neva look at me in the face, always looked ahead, i am assuming its because she likes me and doesnt have the confidence to look at my face, is that true?

i offered her my number an she said ok, but before i cud give it she was gone, she didnt leave in a rush but she didnt exactly get a pen of paper either, i think its cuz shes shy, what dos everyone else think?

Based on the little bit that you wrote, yes her smiling that much is a good sign. She is either pretty shy or has a boyfriend and doesn't know how to tell you, which is the worse possible scenario.

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I would just ask her for her number one day,

have a pen and paper ready

then she'll tell you if she's got a bf,

or simply give you the number

but I would say hey I'm going (to whatever place she might

be interested in)... do you wanna come along?

her: sure

I'm not sure when it is, but let me get ur number so I could call you

when I find out...

You shouldn't have given her your number first. It puts her in control. You should try to get a girls number before she gets yours.

Actually it can be quite useful to give ur # first!
it's reciprocity «I've given this to you and it would only be rude if u didn't do the same for me»
Sometimes girls might feel unconformable to be giving out their # but it reassures them and they give it up easily when u give yours first. That doesn't mean that we should always be giving out our number first! But if it makes it easier (less stressfull) than asking directly «can I have your number, can I have your number» then it can be advantageous to give yours first.

Albastar ur right though, you don't wanna give her deciding powers and it's good to watch out for all the little things like this that could reduce your value or alpha male-ness
Don't give her your number thinking «here...do you want it? please take it» but rather «I took the effort to write it down for you, so take it (in a polite way)»

By the way Albaster I saw it was ur first post, so welcome to the forum!

Hmm.. that sounds interesting lucky d. i think i'll try it sometime if a girl seems like she might be hesitant to give her number out.\

thanks

Yeah, I find the reciprocity thing works really well... just say "hey we should swap numbers/email addresses". Make it sound like no big deal. Even if you provide a different reason, related to a third person, like "Hey I know an interior designer who can help you with your kitchen. We should swap email addresses and I'll put you in touch with him." Technically she only needs your contact details in that case, you don't need hers, but it gives you a way to legitimise exchanging numbers/emails.

Style/Neil Strauss has a gambit which I don't recall completely that goes something like;
- pull out a notepad, write your number on the bottom half of a piece of paper.
- tear off the bit with your number and hand it to her
- slide the notepad and pen across the table to her, with the half-page facing up at her (suggesting a place to write her number). She'll get the hint.

The moral of the story is, swapping numbers is good. It's a bit like the "don't buy a girl a drink" rule. Giving her your number without getting hers puts her in control.

i agree with what was said about you shouldnt give out your number. I can also see the uses in swapping numbers so its like a trade off and equal.

Howver i personally like to take my phone out after she has said something that i could help her with or she could help me with such as the example above as helping with getting a kitchen desighner, if she had just said that she knows one, i get my phone out to look at the time/message etc while taking my attention away from her for a second as she is not as important as the reason for why im checking my phone. I then say, 'oh put your number in there *while handing her my phone* as i can contact you if i need that number/give you that number' (this is far from an exact script, but its the idea of giving her my phone to put her number in for an innocent reason).

Once she has put her number in, ring her number while telling her your doing so as you 'dont pick up on numbers you dont recognise' therefore suggesting that neither should she (showing your high standards).

This way, she cant give you a flake of a number as your checking it, and your doing so in a way that shows your standards. Your also doing it in the frame of YOU will contact HER, its gives you control of the situation and makes you seem alpha.

This is a bit diffrent as above due to the use of a phone but every1 i know has always carried a phone. Ive never recieved a fake number using this method.

check my other post about open loops for how to get a response from even the flakiest of women

hope this helps

slick

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Hmm, nice idea slickmc123. If she's got her phone you could also txt her, or give her your number and tell her to txt you on the spot, as a way of making sure she doesn't give you a fake number.

I won't think about it too much if i were you she was obviously shy.
Maybe she had to go somewhere urgently