Ok cmon, admit it.

How many times have you lost a set or bailed out because someone rumbled you on being a PUA? It usually results in not knowing how to handle the situation and thus bailing out because you dont want to run anymore game because they'll think thats all there is to you. So mr pick up artist calmly picks up his drink and heads on the train back to AFC town.

So how do you handle it? Post your stories from when youve been rumbled and your recovery lines!

To kick off the thread..HERES MINE!

To know how to handle a situation you must understand what is going on in the situation, you must know the psychology behind it, where you are, where you want to be. Fair? So we can break down the 'rumbled' thing like i mentioned in the first paragraph. So what do we need to do?

Option 1: Show her that you indeed are a PUA but arent bothered about her opinion and carry on as normal, yeah youre a pick up artist, but who cares, people love you. This requires you to KEEP YOUR FRAME. Do NOT under any circumstances react to what she says, dont even let her get to the stage where she has a smug smile on her face because shes just rumbled you, carry on as normal.

Option 2: Take offence to it. This is probably your best option for comfort stages and isolation. Show her that you took offence to this in the form of her not looking for a deeper connection with you. This puts across that you are congruent and have an interest in her, after all, you do have a geuine interest in her dont you? youve already met this girl and youre isolated with her, if you didnt like her, you wouldnt be in this stage with her. Use something along the lines of "is that all you think of me? i guess i was wrong about you" this is a serious moment, shes just busted your whole game, and if you mess this up youve lost her. COMPLETELY. Ive faced this with girls i have genuinely liked for a long time, and thrown this as a reply, to which theyve replied very positively, try stringing the line "so whats your favourite thing about me" on the end to get back into a normal conversation and past this whole cockblock.

Option 3: RUN AWAAAAAY!!

So theres my methods, two contrasting methods for the two main situations in which this problem arrises.

But yeah! Post your ways of handling this! It'll be interesting to see what people come up with!

- Moriarty.

Ive always been in love with reframes so,Usually I'm just like " why, do you want to kiss me?"
if your ashamed of being a PUA then you could go with something like
"you mean like the TV dude, am I wearing mascara? wait a second.....you are OMG, I cant speak to you anymore"

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I like this one. It shows that you're looking deeper into her then she is into you. Almost sounds like a disqualifier to me.

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Men fall in love with their eyes. Women fall in love with their ears.

I've never had this problem. I always make a point of not using canned openers etc but it could still happen I guess. I'm armed with the following just in case:

"Nope, I'm just charming as fuck."
"I can only tell you if you know the secret handshake." Turn around, bend over and thrust hand between legs at her.
"Nope, I'm terrible with women. Here, watch." Then go kiss some other girl.
"Probably not, but I bet that guy is pretty suave..." Point at wallflower/pervert

Or you could just stare at her blankly for a few seconds, then start singing love rollercoaster, before stopping abruptly and going back into normal conversation. Holy shit I hope some girl asks me this soon. Fun will ensue.

I had this experience a few weeks ago. I was inn a club with some friends when I saw two girls. I sat down next ton 'em and started with a stupid maniac opener, just for the fun of it.

Anyways, after a minute or so the one girl looks at me and asks me if I had read "the Game". I was a bit shocked, the first time I've been caught by a girl! But I just pulled out a big ass smile and said "noo" in an ironic way.

I lied to her and told her that I was sceptical to weather the stuff inn the book worked or not, and that she had ruined the test. it ended up with her letting me try some of the pickup lines on her and I had a great time.

Got some real good IOI's, but when I tried to kiss her she would pull back and tell me not to, I "punished her" with negative body language, and she started giving me IOI's again.

I might have kino escalated too fast, but I think that the real thing was that she was a bit "affraid" off me because she knew I was hitting on her.
Some days later I met one of her girlfriends who told me that the girl really liked me and wanted to meet me again (But I was kinda drunk that night and heard rumours about her not being a top ace, so Im gonna try stayong away from her).

Anyway the point of this thread is that it works to just go along and use this topic for your benefit

Being that I am new to this, I haven't had this problem yet, but I have wondered about what to do if it came up. The thing that bothers me is the whole VH1 Pick up Artist show. Although, I was unaware of the show when it was being aired, Im sure there were millions of people that saw it. I think about this every time I use one of the routine openers that was in the show. Dalziel's idea of not using canned openers seems like a safe way to avoid some of this problem. I guess I haven't advanced to the level of the game where I have my own unique openers. I have adhered to the principle of not using the same opener or story on more than one set in a venue. This has forced me to be a little more spontaneous and creative, but I can't remember some of the openers that I have had to pull out of thin air. Opening is not a problem though. Its keeping the convo going for long periods of time that give me the problem.

It blew my mind when I heard Mystery talk about the fact that he uses his siminars and his book as DHV spike. I couldn't believe that he lets the cat out of the bag like that. To me its almost as if the girl would interpret this as "Hi, Im a pick up artist. Everything I say is designed to get in your pants". Seems like this would immediately blow your chances with anyone other than a slut or a groupie. Take the movie Hitch for example. He wanted his identity to remain a secret, but Mystery puts it right out there in the open. I guess he has no choice after doing a TV show about it. It also goes to show that he has one hell of a frame. If you can admit something like that and still close the girl that is really something.

Great advice for when the situation comes up guys. Great post Moriarty.

Lolo, love it. Especially the hand shake one.

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'have you read the game?"
"are you a pickup artist?"
"did you watch that pickup show on vh1?"
"buy me a drink"

common guys, use your heads...

THESE ARE SHIT TESTS. act accordingly.

as stated, REFRAME.

<as always, said with a smile and an approriate tone>

"what? do you think i'm trying to pick you up?, someones full of themselves..." and stack stack stack, don't give her time to respond.

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Lol I like the "someone's full of themselves" part.

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I had a hb8 I was sarging with copilot start dropping vocabulary early on, she was talking about what a neg was in response to a story her friend was telling about a guy who was mean to her at work.

I heard her say the word and instantly I went oh shit.... she's the hottest chick in the venue, and I'm having a good time, WWStyleD? (push it further). So I just sarged her really carefully, using heavily modified and sparse sprinklings of obscure canned material when I had to. Later:

Her: I'm actually a pick up artist.
Me: Like that show on VH1, with the guy in the funny hat?
Her: Yeah that's mystery blahblah, have you ever read "the game?"
Me: No, but I saw the movie, and I hated how the ending was just some fucking surprise birthday party
Her: No this is about pick up artists blahblahblah....
Me: That sounds kind of lame actually, what ever happened to just talking to people and if they aren't into you then fuck 'em.
Her:Blahblahblah it's really interestingblahblah.
Me: So what's a "neg" anyway.
Her: It's when a guy says something really nice to you, but then goes and does something to make you think he isn't into you... like he might say "you have pretty eyes" then push her away and be like "ew your gross".

Since she had a really bad idea of what a neg was, I had alot of fun with this. I really carefully dropped subtle negs that shut her up for a sec, while her little insecurity wheels clicked into place and you could tell they confused her, and that she wasn't identifying them with "negs".

All night I was doing goofy shit acting like I just learned what a neg was and trying to use them I'd be like...

Me: OMG Your hair is so oily! ... NEG!
Her: That's not a neg!
Me: Are you seduced yet?
Her: Eat a dick!
Me:Whore.
*ticklefite*

Later in the night she tried to condiment anchor me, lulz. I love women.

Simple, i came up with routines for this from the beginning and have had yet to need to use them...

If they bring up PUA books, especially the game: "Yea i read it, its a nice story but i have a feeling its not 100% true. Some of its kinda creepy actually. I like to read and it was entertaining how at the end the one girl he wanted was like immune or some crap...pretty hilarious. Actually my friend (insert girls name) told me i should read it, is she trying to tell me something?"

The VH1 show: "Haha, i watched it but that craps not real. All those guys where actors, the guy who won the thing was in some music videos and in some latin soap way before he was on that show. You cant beleive everything you see on TV sweety, (scuff) guys makeing women fall for them with material and lessons, what a crock. It was mildly amusing though to watch."

Not refferring the book or show, just calling me a PUA: "O so your aware of what they are, i hate the term. I prefer to say i study social dynamics. Little of what ive studied has to do with women. Actually the thing that caught my intrest about it was taking control of my life and understanding social interaction better. Things like body language and tonality, the psychological aspects, really catch my intrest."


All of this depends on the context they say it in and how benificial being 100% outright will be. I like to be truthful and honest whenever i can because there is no chance of being caught lying when your telling the truth, however if i think honesty will get a majorily bad reaction i may use something like above.

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"Be the same, only better."

I don't mind lying when the truth is that I study harder to talk to women than most people study for their SAT's.

LOVE the handshake one...i might just have to use canned openers just so i get caught thatd be hilarious

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I just make fun of the idea of a "pick up artist" a girl I was talking to I used an opinion opener on in NYC prob about 2 - 3 weeks ago and she started asking if i was a PUA and commented about some PUA tv show and I just flamed the idea of pick up artist and changed the subject.

Worked fine, ended up hooking up with her a few hours later.

There's 2 options: admit it, or deny it. Either one will work and it's up to you which you prefer and which one works better with your personality. personally I've done both.

I've told girls exactly what I do, told them I go out 2-3 nights a week to talk to people and more specifically girls, in the interest of attracting and starting relationships with girls. I've told them that I teach other guys how to pick women up, how to get one night stands, how to build relationships with the hopes of getting married, how to see multiple women at the same time. I've discussed the psychological and sociological impacts or what I do. I've done all that and more, while successfully building attraction and even closing a girl that I told exactly what I do, who wanted an exclusive relationship and trusted me to uphold that after everything I'd told her.

I've also laughed at girls and asked them what on earth they were talking about when I commented on how they must be best friends and they asked if I was gonna ask them what shampoo they used. I've pretended to have no idea what Style's 5 Lies game is and joked about the guy that did it (he wasn't there, she was telling me the best pickup lines she had ever heard and that was one). After doing those things, I successfully k-closed or got numbers, although I generally found myself more bored after the interaction for having to lie about the whole thing.

Either way works and if you have no qualms about pretending to be someone you're not, then don't let her know what you are. I'd never go past a Day 3 without letting a girl in on what I do, cause it's a big part of who I am and where I am in my life right now, but if that's not for you, then that's cool too.

The key to making either way work, isn't what you say, it's how you say it. It isn't about out smarting her and convincing her you're not a PUA, it isn't about presenting what you do in a way that she finds it acceptable. It's about being secure in what you do and finding it acceptable yourself. If YOU are ok with what you do, you can say, "Yeah, I'm not looking for a relationship, I just come out 2-3 nights a week and take home a different girl each night." and she won't care.

So stop worrying about WHAT you're gonna say and just be secure it yourself and that you're doing it for the right reasons, then she won't question it.

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