Aright guys,

Well basically there is a stunning of a girl at my work, I started emailing her and she was flirting back like crazy. Things got heated and I went to hers, she took her top off and we were kissing like crazy, But there was a problem.

I had a girlfriend and she had a boyfriend, So with all my strength I stopped.
We decided we would figure out what we wanted before we took thing furthur.

She then proceeds to tell me that she cannot cheat on her boyrfriend anymore and she loves him etc etc, recently I have broken up with my girlfriend and im trying to win her interest back.

This girl is something else in terms of looks but ever since I came back from holiday she is a lot colder in emails, i.e no kisses and doesnt text me anymore.

We were supossed to be on a works night out last friday, I was running late and she texted me saying "and where are you ...x" which I thought may show she is interested. So I went ,bought her a drink but she left because her boyfriend came and picked her up. I may add that he is very protective, an ex drug dealer and a general asshole it seems. Definately an alpha.

How can I get this girl back in her old way of thinking with me? She is 18 and im 24

Talk to her like a friend, build her comfort with you back up, run a good boyfriend destroyer routine, then go back into flirting.

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How do I do a good bf destroyer scheme(which sounds awesome lol).

I've said to her in the best that I think hes an asshole but would that not make her think I'm keen on her?

I dunno whether to seem dis-interested or keep the interest but on a different level.

Hey guys,

I need help here/advice.

Today I emailed her with
No response, but when I see her she is always smiling. Should I just leave it?

I just find it sooo surprising that at one point basically she wanted to sleep with me and now she is completaly ignoring emails?!

Did me not sleeping with her reduce my alpha. I have fucked up before though, before I went away I did tell her was probably going to miss her-bad I know.

I have probably messed this up, but how do I progress? Especially if she suddently emails me one day? Flake her out(for how long?) or reply?!

Hey brotha,

I know how that goes. Been in that situation.

I would never email a girl and say "I'm bored". You need to have too much going on to ever say I am bored. Besides, girls never like guys who are bored. You seem boring and they imagine a life with you would be boring. Create some drama.

The reason she liked you was because you were unavailable. She could not have you. It was a chase. I have met tons of girls who want you just because they boyfriend sucks and the grass is always greener.

Now that you are single, she is not interested.

Here's what I would do...

I would go up to her and ask for some advice. (Which is B.S.)
Tell her that you met this amazing model, stripper whatever this last weekend. I was say the girl is whatever she wants to be or can't have. For example. If she is poor, I would say the girl is a rich model. If she is a prude, I would say exotic dancer. If she wants to be elegant but is a klutz, I would say a french actress who is new to the city...whatever.

So that you met this girl named Victoria, again fit the name to the opposite. If her name is Kelly, use an exotic name. If her name is Raven, use Tina. Anyways, tell her that you met this girl last weekend and it was amazing. You went and had the most amazing date on a boat and ended up eating room service naked watching the sun come up or whatever. Make it sexy.

Then ask for her advice. Say "Now this girl Victoria is really cool. Like nothing I have met before...I have a date planned for this weekend. Then makeup an amazing date. Ask her as a woman if she would like this or that, seafood or steak for dinner."Don't be too specific, she might google or whatever, so cover yourself.
She will imagine herself on this amazing date with you, be envious of this imaginary girl. Then the trap is set. Make the date sound amazing, not too romantic but amazing. If you have questions about this, let me know.

Part two.
Come back from the weekend with a great smile on your face and act like you just fell in love. Have a glow. The chick from work will now it went well and ask you how it went. Say "it went amazing, the best part is" act like your cellphone went off say"I have to take this". Leave her panting. Don't go into the details or even get into it at all. If she asks how was dinner you say "I had the best dinner ever, but really its the company that you are with that makes it worth while"

Wait a few days.

Part three The close
Drinks after work are always the best.
If she can't go with you for drinks, tell her you something really important you want to ask her opinion on Victoria. She will want to know what all the drama is" Woman can't resist". Get her for drinks. Tell her you can't talk about it at work. Get her to a bar and tell her that Victoria is moving to Chicago and you are thinking about going. What should you do? Tell her about how great your life is here and you are going to be rich if you stay with the company. Whatever. Talk to her about connection with Victoria. Tell her that you are not ready for a commitment, talk about urges when you are in a relationship and how you might not be able to handle it. Then kino, pull away. Get her to your house, tell her you want her to meet Victoria, feed the dog, whatever. Get her to your house and lay her.

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She did actually email me back, saying how busy she has been. I went on to email her most of the day.Most of these emails were short and basically blunt.

However she likes to give me a bit of a shit test teasing me about looking like oliver twist? lol I dont at all though, I am short though. How should I handle this?

This girl really is a geninune ten, big chest,great looker. However she isn't the smartest and has a tendancy to tell lies I have learned.

She is actually 17 but told me she was 18 when we were kissing.(Btw this is fine in uk)

I may try that but Im gonna ignore her first for a while.Actually I just wish she would leave the company as each day I see her,its killing me,
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Today she emailed me with So I responded with,an hour later
she said Am I being reduced to being someone just to talk to at work? Feels like it, god she is soo hot though, She even has one guy at work buying her a sandwich each day when he goes to the mall . He is 41 though and generally a creepy guy. But it indicates to me that perhaps she may have other males around her finger.

However when we did hook up that time, she did say she really liked me.
I've taken loaded's advice and told a few people I have a date on friday(which I dont) etc, Im hoping it gets around the office-these things quite often do. As I dont want to tell her directly as it may seem like I am trying too hard to make her jealous if you get my drift?

If nothing had ever happened then I guess I would be ok with it all, I can deal with having a hot girl at work and not being interested in me. But the fact they showed showed majot interest in me and now really doesn't flirt/engage in a massive way has dented my ego quite a bit.

The christmas night out is fast approaching aswell, how should I act on this? Freeze her out on the night?

You have a lot of heart brotha. I give you that.

A couple of things...

You are on the right track with the date going around the office.

This woman is like any other woman. To get a girl that already has a boyfriend, you need to make it seem like you are a dream boyfriend. I am sure he is already tired of fucking her and putting up with her shit. So you need to really be a night in shining armor to sleep with her. You need some added little touches. They will go along way.

Here is what I am thinking.

She needs to find out about your SUPER date and not from you. If you can get an accomplice (one of the guys from work) that would be good. But here is what I mean.
Have some concert tickets laying around on your desk, they could be fake whatever. Or have some photo's of a vineyard you are going to visit. Whatever it is she needs to see it wonder how great a guy you are and how amazing your dates are etc. Think of the coolest thing that HB is interested in and that is what your false date will be. If she loves boats, it's a one night cruise. If she loves horses, it's a weekend getaway. Really pump it up!!

When she sees this, play it off. This is what you always do, you are an amazing guy. That's how you roll. Don't give her any details.

Her:What's this?
You: Just something I am doing this weekend.
Her: Cool, who are you going with?
You: Just a friend.
(if she asks) Her:Who?
You: Are you a detective? Or are you writing a book?

Secondly.
Hints are easy to drop around the office and usually after lunch.
Ideas.
Put some lipstick on your collar.
Come back missing a sock.(like you had sex during lunch and could not find a sock)
Come back with a bottle of wine(for your date)
Have something delivered(chocolates, whatever)
Have notes left for you with lipstick(the best)
Act you are getting dirty sex text messages(in HB presence)
Have another girl call her extension and ask for you.
Make all of these like it's not big deal. That's what you do. You fuck women at lunch time and they love it. If she asks. Act like you are lying. Let her imagination do the work.
Her: There is some lipstick on your collar.
You: Thanks. Busy lunch. (walk away with a shit eating grin)
or
Her: Did you makeout with someone at lunch?
You: No, it must be spegetti sauce or katchup or something. (use purple lipstick and again WALK AWAY WITH A SHIT EATING GRIN)

Her: Are you missing a sock?
You: I can't find it. I was having lunch with a friend and lost it. (You get the point.)

Thirdly
Drop HB in the friend zone. Don't flirt with her anymore. Freeze her out from flirting.
Unless the flirting is DQ's. I would not give her any IOI's until you are about to sleep with her. And I mean in a bedroom naked.
Flirt examples.
You couldn't handle me.
Friends don't do that.
I am in a relationship.
How does your boyfriend put up with you, if my girlfriend did that she would be on the street. (after you setup your new false relationship)
You can't have me, I am taken.

Fourth
Bang some other women. Girls can sense when you are in demand. If you are thinking about HB all day, she will feel it. You confidence seems a little too involved on banging this chick, keep your life busy.

Fifth
Have fun. This conspiracy is a lot of fun. Enjoy it. Make a game out of it. Don't take it so seriously. Get one of the guys at work to help you. It is called game.

Sixth
You should 100% try to lay her at the Xmas party. It might be your last shot until the new year and that is a ways away. I would show up with a female wing if possible. Other women love conspiracies.

Seventh
Freeze out the email. Just stop emailing her for a week. Say you have been busy if she asks, whatever. She is blowing you off on email. When you start working these moves, she will try to reframe you with the old email game. She will try to get back to you sending her flirty emails so she feels validated, don't fall for it. She knows you are chasing her, she needs to start chasing you and keep chasing all the way to the close.

Best of luck and can't wait for the updates.

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Loaded,

cheers for all the effort you have put into this for me mate-I really appreciate it!!

I will try some of the tips you gave me and I WILL update this thread in due course
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One thing I will add is that this girl likes to tell lies I have discovered, not major ones but she does tell the odd lie.

Im currently freezing her out, no emails-nothing. Although I have to mail something tomorrow so I will talk to her then most likely.

The date is in place, Im just hoping someone mentions something to her-dont want to seem too obvious.

Lol you know what? I am getting excited about this fake date, almost beleving it myself!

Loaded,

The rumour seemingly wasn't spreading I only told two of the guys I work with and they didn't take it furthur. I didn't involve them as of fear of them revealing the whole thing.

BUT

Shes been having troubles at home and talked to me for a bit today, I told her I had a busy weekend and my friends were setting me up tonight. She began to get interested more than usual, still not the original but here goes.

I made up this girl, man did I ever.I basically said I was being set up by my mates but apprently she is hot.


ME:Hope things get better for you, I know we haven’t much talked recently but you know im here for you to talk to.

HER:Thank you so much J Means a lot. I know to always come to you anyway. What’s happened stayed between me and you though as don’t want anyone else knowing. Trust you 110%

ME:No worriesJ
Its fine don’t worry, I know how workplaces are.

You will need to come round for a drink some night if your getting fed up at your mums though


her:Yeah ill come over something soon. Will defo be getting out a lot more now that im at my mums as I know im not going to be able to hold me temper with her soon


Basically we then email back and forth for a bit, her taking the piss out of me a bit(she has a bit of a shit test where she says I look like oliver twist lol-cant think of a good comeback on this). And says she might turn up and check the girl out-jokingly of course.

She then ends with

HER:Okay, well have a good weekend.
Wanting all the gossip on Monday. Just don’t sleep with her yet lol


If I can get this girl over and in my environment I know that its down to me, but for my own sanity I need to have her once. There seems to be evidence that she may want to come over but I need a bit more persuasion.

How do I act on monday??

As a BF destroyer do a search in this forum for The Straw Man technique. Very clever.

Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. You can always hit me up through PM or I can give you my personal email if you need it.

I really am glad to see you did the blind date setup. That is a great start. You have to remember that this is only a start and needs to be backed up with consecutive tactics. Don't give her time to think. You want her to be thinking about you constantly until she breaks down. Which she will if you play it right.

Let's break down this conversation so we can look at positives and negatives.

Here we go.

First question. Did she come to your desk or you to her's? What was the scenario?

Hopefully your desk. And you could always start off by saying "You can't come around here too often, the people at the office are going to start thinking something is going on between us and then my reputation will be ruined" or whatever. But DQ out of the gate.

Anyways, let's keep moving forward.

"ME:Hope things get better for you, I know we haven’t much talked recently but you know im here for you to talk to."
This is good rapport building, but watch out for friend mode here. You don't want to be the Best Friend in a romance movie who is dreaming about her all day.

"HER:Thank you so much J Means a lot. I know to always come to you anyway. What’s happened stayed between me and you though as don’t want anyone else knowing. Trust you 110%"
Sounds like friend zone...This is tough to analyze without seeing her talk to you in person, but I believe my assumption is correct. Is she throwing out IOI's through body language.

"ME:No worriesJ
Its fine don’t worry, I know how workplaces are.

You will need to come round for a drink some night if your getting fed up at your mums though"
I give you courage points here. This is a move, but I think it's still too early and I think there is a better way to go about it.
I know I said get her over for drinks, so I can see the confusion here.
...You basically offered her your dick. (Aka want some dick, check out Chris Rock, it's really funny). You basically said "I want to sleep with you". Even though that is not what you said. You showed too much interest here. She now knows you want to sleep with her.

I don't believe her buying temperature is hot enough for this close yet. And I would not try to invite her over for drinks even though this is what is really going to happen. Let me explain.

You never want a straight invite to the house for drinks. She will feel like a slut if she goes. That does still not mean it won't happen, but in her mind she wants to feel like "it just happened out of nowhere". There must always be an excuse to go to your house at the end of the night that is not drinks.

I would invite her to a concert, or throw rocks through windows (joke). Something that you can use to push and pull with takeaways etc throughout the day to get her buying temperature up. Then you when you want to get her to your house. You mention earlier in the date about something in your house, like a goldfish or photos or whatever. Then at the close you say "You should check out my...whatever"

Also. I do believe that the house is where things are going to get sexual with this girl, but you can't jump straight there. A girl will very rarely come over for straight drinks, but will come over often for 1,000 other reasons.

That being said, I would still invite this girl for an event, then jump to another venue or event, then jump for tacos or whatever, then do the jump to the house. Even if she came straight to your house. I would still jump to other venues, them jump back to your house.

But before any of that. I really believe the buying temperature has to be brought up here. The beginning was the blind date. You need to pump it up before you invite her to an event. But before you invite her to an event, you need to DQ yourself as a potential suitor and throw her in the friend zone. Even though you are still going to flirt with her like crazy and use a ton of takeaways.

You need to flip the script on her. The reason you want her so bad is that you can't have her. She needs to want you so bad because she can't have you. That's how you got her before and how you will be able to get her again.

But you must get the buying temperature up. Sound like it was going good before until you invited her over to your house for drinks. Which is completely understandable and happens to all of us. Take it as a learning experience.

"her:Yeah ill come over something soon. Will defo be getting out a lot more now that im at my mums as I know im not going to be able to hold me temper with her soon"
This is a good response. I would throw out a takeaway here like "just don't try to move in, my other girlfriends would not like that" or whatever.

"Basically we then email back and forth for a bit, her taking the piss out of me a bit(she has a bit of a shit test where she says I look like oliver twist lol-cant think of a good comeback on this)."
This is great. She is flirting with you and using a strong DLV. Remember what I said about her re-framing you through emails. This is it. She is comparing you to a poor orphan criminal with no friends. You want to have a really strong frame here. Remember everything is no big deal.

I thought about a response to that for a while. Any response I can think of either validates her or puts yourself down. I would punish her for this by not writing back for a day. Then respond with sorry I was too busy. A high value man would not talk to someone who puts them down.

Did you ever do the freeze out of emails? How did that go?

The second she starts getting interested in you SHE IS GOING TO TRY TO REFRAME YOU. She is going to do this by putting you back in the old routine. Which for you is the email game.

If you are a pre selected mail who has many options are you going to have time for her at work. She is testing you.

"...And says she might turn up and check the girl out-jokingly of course."
Great here. You got her a little jealous. Keep this up and she will be yours in no time. But remember not to show her any IOI's. A good response here would be something. "I bet you would, then you would get all jealous of the other girl because she is a model and ruin my dream date. God how does your boyfriend put up with you. That's why you and me are not together, you would barge into a restaurant when I am hanging out with one of my girlfriends, with a big vein bulging out your forehead. You would start pulling her hair and making a big scene, like a bad red neck episode of Jerry Springer." Then point to her forehead."I can already see the vein getting ready to come out. I am going to start calling you hulk. You are trouble, you need to stay away from me."
You get the idea. Push and pull.

"HER:Okay, well have a good weekend.
Wanting all the gossip on Monday. Just don’t sleep with her yet lol"
Game on. The hook is set. It's time to start setting more jealousy traps. It is working.
A good response might something like what I wrote above or "You must drive your boyfriend nuts, do you ever hulk out and smash his car with your bear hands? Now that I mention it, you kind of do have masculine hands. How do you manicure them, use a bench grinder" Of course these are a playful and fun. But will get her steaming in the panties. Must be done in a joking manner with a huge grin.

All and all this is good. Did you try any of the other things that I mentioned? Lipstick etc. Maybe some ladies perfume. etc.

I will keep posting on this. I know how this is. There used to be this hot Filipino girl at my work who had a BF. She was so hot. I eventually ended up sleeping with her and her roommate. The roommate happened first, made her jealous as all hell. Then it all came together. But it took forever. So I know how it goes.

PS. You can always PM me. I am surprised I did not get this update posting.

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