Thoughts about Freezeouts and Levels



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This post was meant to be a response to this thread, but I decided to make a new thread to crystallize my thoughts better, and to receive a input. It refers to longer answers in texting, but I think about making it more about freezeouts in general.

Off the start
My thoughts are - responses that taking longer pauses doesn't take you far away, if you don't understand why are you putting them there. If you are just looking to pause, because someone told you so - you can have a bad time.

Think about that
Woman still love spontaneous things, and that includes fast, fun messages. If you try to deliberately slow down the giving and receiving of value, without knowing why are you doing that - you're just moron.

Origins of taking longer answers
I think, it's because of freeze-outs in relationships in general, where we generally exploit woman emotionally. Think about having a minor disagreement with your new girlfriend, with who you have great time and value-exchanging, and then - after disagreement, you are saying "I don't want to talk about it with you about this ever again." and then proceed to take off some of your stuff, a bit more than usually, and just getting out of the place, and preferably slamming doors. And guess, what - you just created a lot of emotion and drama, because you create this huge tension, and she doesn't see what you are really doing in that time period, so she don't have anything to base her actions on. You just leave her hanging like that.

Now just repeat that same with a total stranger. It wouldn't work as well. Because, there's nothing really to make the girl think "Oh, I'm losing out a ton of value with this guy, I must work harder to fix it." Especially, if you do that a lot, and come up with strange/not genuine reaction after that.

Reality
You'll notice, that after some failed freeze-outs, where nothing just happens, and you are both taking longer time to answer each other, the conversation will eventually just die off. In those times, it's so much better to just be direct and try to bring up those fast "we both have so many to say, that we are interrupting each other" conversation. If you never had those "emotionally good times" in conversation, or if you don't think she sees you much value in you - freeze-outs may not work, especially if you come up with wishy-washy stuff after that.

If you fucked up real bad with freezeouts
If your freezeouts didn't work magic as expected - be genuine about it as well. So the conversation basically just died off. There's nothing really to talk about. She read your message and don't ever thinks of responding you. I would say, you have nothing to lose, so be yourself, and try to extract as much value from her, as you can. Coming with another asshole thing or line will not work, if she sees through that. Just say, that you are not satisfied with the way the conversation is going, and say that you want to have those emotions back you've experienced before with her, and just recite/paste a convo where you both had fun. Tell her, you want to experience those things again with her. Be direct, be kind of pissed off, and be confident. I would say this will always bring up some kind of response. Let's think about that - just reading that stuff will bring her a huge emotional uplift, smile and excitement. It's just reviving old things, just like make-up sex is so good.

If that doesn't work
It should, even the most badass girls will respond to that. If they see your honesty and what your goals really are, they will try to do the same and you could get amazing responses, that you can analyze and the sticky points you should focus on your game. If she didn't even answer after that - let's just say, it's not worth it. Pretty much dead end.

What you should focus on?
I think that the content actually makes more matter. Just keep everything short and witty, fun to read. Have to try to either have epic long long messages (provided you both write them), to maximize value and improve time spent. Or if she's lazy enough and doesn't give away herself emotionally, then your goal is to provide conversation, where you both laughing and having fun. Just keep a flow of short, witty messages.

Just be sure to project the emotions you want onto her, and then mirror them. Don't project the silence intentionally between messages, where you wouldn't actually pause or have no reason to pause.

Main point
Value your time as well, as the whole conversation goes. Why would you want to wait? Sure, be the first one to leave or end the conversation, because that thing works. You can still send the last message, just be the one, who suggests ending. Don't chat her up every day, but if you are both having fun in one time, extend that to active conversation over 6 hours, if you want to have it for that long. Also, don't leave conversation, just as it start to go bad, it will create unnecessary tension for the next time, try to always leave on positive vibe.

Leveling
Figure out which level is your target girl on, and just be one step ahead of her. Don't judge by the looks only, the best and most stable girls reside in top levels, which means you have to actually bring a whole lot better game to the table. The levels are:

0) You don't know anything.
1) You think about your actions in general.
2) You think about your actions, and her (re)actions to put a whole picture.
3) You think about your action, her reactions, and what does she think about your actions or your game).
4) You think about your actions after she knows what your game are.
5) You think about your new actions, and her (re)actions to put a whole picture....
6) ..

See, you goal is to be always only one level ahead of the girl you're facing. If she doesn't know anything, you can pickup her just doing about anything. Most girls are on Level 1 - so most starter PUA's operate on Level 2, but doesn't think deeper about the game. So what if the girl is really talented, had a lot of encounters with PUA's, and actually is on Level 3? Where she actually sees what you are doing, knows how she reacts to that, understand your game and what are you trying to get. If your game doesn't fit perfectly with what you are doing, you are far much better chances being a Level 1. Best chances there, if you are on Level 4, when she's there. By following this, you are maximizing your edge in the field, and actually have a good theory.

Things you may be missing out on
I see a lot of general responses going like this "If she doesn't like you/your attitude, she doesn't deserve you, you can always find more girls." Well, what about the scenario, where the girls are actually smarter, and understands the game better than you, especially since they got so much experience in general. Are we really going to put up a Level 2 stuff, and if it doesn't works, will just say "fuck, she doesn't deserve me!", and wouldn't go deeper, on why it didn't work? First, you always feel that you deserve her, respect her along the lines "Leave her better before she met you", and actually study her game as well, study her defense, and take notes why it works with some girls, and why it doesn't with others. If she's got better game in general, she will be basically better in everything, and you will feel a lot better, if you seduce her, and it's the way to better relationships. That's what you sometimes see with naturals, they are adapting at a much higher and better rate, they adjust their level to match, and get a lot better results, and learn a lot during the way. They won't get stuck in "I need to have this girl chasing me, not otherwise.", given that, I think they are managing the whole levels better, and just providing better value, and better image - receiving much better response.

Value delivered, would love to get some feedback, preferably criticism, as I would look into my mistakes and improve my game. This is the first big post I've ever made on PUA, based out of my thoughts and experiences.


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