When is the right time to neg? somebody please explain to me.

a rapport break is just to get attention, when a girl has her guard up and is focused on something else and doesn't see value in talking with you, a neg can irritate her a bit, just so she pays attention, you can then work with the attention, this sort of creates a high tension environment between the two of you, if you are a reactive person (can't deal well with tension), or a person who looks for reactions, then negs are not a good idea, you will just end up pissing a girl off and not re-framing the interaction past that, if you leave on a low note, when you have started on a low note, then she will associate negative emotions to you

also false dis-qualifiers help you disarm people, when you walk up and start hitting on a girl, often it is not the girl herself (if she is interested) that will put up resistance for you, it will be the people around her that try to stop you from proceeding

comments like, HAHA he came to hit on you, or my friend is not interested, or anything along those lines, false dis-qualifiers such as, ''don't worry im gay'' or ''we wouldn't get along anyways'' then continue hitting on the target and not reacting to the obstacles can help you proceed in these situations, there are other ideas on group theory such as positively validating the group, while de-validating the target in order to win the group so they are not protective of the target

the whole idea is a neg is just to get past the initial meeting with groups that are being difficult, if you walk up to a group that has no interest in meeting someone new,

they will likely not react to you unless they see value in doing so, breaking rapport on them creates some value by creating more a feeling of loss, due to prospect theory people are more motivated to not lose something, rather then to gain something, this is why you should have some sort of hook before negging, unless the targets self esteem is so high that she would assume that every guy is in abundance for her, if you start trying to break rapport on someone who couldn't care less about you and has not invested in speaking with you, then there is no loss for them to be motivated by

you can also neg girls when they are being testy, just to get them reacting to you, so you can start shifting the frame into a more positive relm, once again this is not a good idea if you, yourself are a reactive person, you have to be able to remain calm in the face of negative validation and not react, basically hang in with the abuse, don't dish it back out in a reactive manner, but hold your ground and turn things around into a positive light proactively

once you have a girls attention and she is reacting to you, you can just work on building a connection with her and escalating, alot of the time when you are at a bar as well, you can tell who already perceives that you have value, these are the girls that approach you, or once you have broken the ice with them they start seeking rapport or trying to get your attention, there is absolutely no reason at all to break rapport with these girls unless it just happens naturally as a form of self amusement

TL:DR
use negs on girls that think they are too good to talk with you, or girls that are being really rude, once they start reacting to the negs and you have their attention, switch the conversation to the positive one you wanted to have to begin with



here is an example of mystery dealing with a testy girl, he negs and won't react to her until she starts reacting, then he has the frame and shifts it to a more positive interaction