Ok so I'm a bit curious about tweaking the apocalypse opener, and learning a bit more about other incredibly direct methods. I follow the sexual tension build-up method, (credit to 60 years of challenge) and since I'm a high schooler, I really don't have a night game (Varsity sports kill my shot at going to most parties), all day game.
My main question is if I tweak the opener and ask if they want to make out "over behind that ... whatever is over there" and instead of opening with it, I use it about 5-10 minutes into meeting/isolated girl, would that work?
My logic is that with the building of sexual tension created by following 60's Anti-Manifesto would work in a similar way to the aforementioned apocalypse opener. Would I just be better off sexually escalating to a make-out and using no verbal directness?
Also, in this method, the girl gets put into something of a trance within a minute or so for me kindof like NLP, but not really. I don't usually convey my intentions for a good while, unless she asks. Is this counter-productive?
Thank you to whoever took the time to actually read through this and even more so if you decide to reply.

anyone? should I post this in a different section maybe?

There is one thing that you must notice about the apocalypse opener, and that is that it is meant to be done exactly as it is stated. If you tweak it, it loses all its essence and you are no longer getting its effect, which is that you are unique and got balls--very attractive to females. To answer your question, this opener loses too much potential if used mid-way, so it could work using it the way you are trying to depending on how good your game is, but it is no longer the apocalypse opener--you are just going for a kiss close...
I am not sure if you ever tried the apocalypse opener (cool if you have); I tried it once and could not complete it as it is supposed to be done (i.e., I could not maintain my composure to invite the HB home with me--i did not even go for it--even though I am relatively experienced in PU and have had good success).

I hope this answered your questions.

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well I'm currently trying to avoid going on the cliche date, just to get anywhere. Even if I invite her along to do something like "come with me and a couple friends to go see a movie" to avoid the cliche, it still doesn't accomplish the goal I'm trying to work towards, which is a k-close on first approach. Tell me if you think of anything I'm not thinking of.

Dude, its not about a cliche date. Notice one thing, its not about where you take a girl, its about you--how fun you make the experience for her.
Im just curious as to why you set goals like this for yourself. I agree that you should push yourself so that you get what you want. But dont you think you should start smaller before you go for k-closes. I mean, if you are one of those guys who are speedsters and want rapid seductions, you should focus your gaming on isolating asap and building comfort asap (after you have attraction which is fast). These things are completely doable, but for more advanced individuals.
I may be a slower individual, but my success rate tells me that I am doing a good job with my game. You should consider what it is in your game that you are lacking before you set certain goals like this. You can do these kiss closes, yet Im worried that you are not as advanced to be escalating fast enough to get those results. Also, Vin DiCarlo's Escalation Ladder may help you here because it gives you a guildline that you can follow to escalate thru stages so that you get the desired results.

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