Guys,

I'm not suggesting everyone do this and this may even seem to go against some PUA "rules". But I have been kissing the hand of women, yes, like those dudes in the 18 century movies. Most women seem to be fine with this. It may seem gay and out-dated, but it seems to help.

I NEVER do it when I am meeting a woman for the 1st time. That is simply cliche AFC. There are exceptions but I wont go into them.

With bitchy stuck up HBs/10s, you can do it, but just have to wait for the right moment.

I do it:

-To greet HB on D2. I do this after hug. Extend your hand, ask for her hand, then simply take it and kiss it. Make it quick, dont make a huge fuss about it. They will smile or giggle. Do it and move on to normal conversation. I do quickly look them in the eye as I am finish the hand kiss. No eye contact makes it wooden and dorky. But dont act like you are Zorro either. Make your eye contact friendly, genuine, with a smile. Today my intro hand kiss, I did it in a weird but ballsy way. We met at Starbucks (hug), walked to pizza place, sat down, and then I sad "Nice to see you" while extending my hand---she expected a hand shake but I went for the hand kiss. She liked. I know it seems ballsy, but its not a big deal. You are just kissing their hand.

This intro hand kiss is immediate kino and it is an immediate way to communicate to her that you are not there to be a pussy. It makes your intentions transparent in an easy way.

-If no K-close on D2 to say goodbye to HB, hand kiss after hug.

-When I cant/don't K-close--for whatever reason (time, gotta go, whatever)--- as a way to say goodbye to HB on D1.

-After dancing a couple of songs mid game, kissing a la ballroom dancing. Rather just standing there and look all smiley-dorky when the song ends, kiss hand or high 5 or both.

Like today I had a time limited D2 lunch (we both had to go to work) and I just probably didnt escalate and kino enough to K Close. But I kissed hand on intro and outro and by reading her I could tell she dug. No big deal but at least it compensated for my insufficient kino and escalation and it lets her know my end of the day intention: Im here to hunt her, not just talk to her for hours.

By D2, I mean 2nd time seeing HB after 1st initial previous contact.

newbie here also.. just a quick question dude.. why not kiss her on the cheeks?

I tried this once and it worked..

totoy: it was a pleasure meeting you.. i need to go back to my friends..
HB: oh ok.. nice meeting you too..
totoy: but before i go, i would like to teach you something.. this is how the swiss and german say goodbye.. they kiss on the cheeks 3times..

there it goes..

You might bump into each other again the same night and from there escalate further..

Kissing on the cheeks is pretty common and does not have sexual connotations.

Kissing on the hand sends a more direct message. Try it out.

Interesting idea... I'd think, though, that they will still see it as AFC unless you frame it right. Maybe if you're doing it sort of like Gambler's "Tongue-in-cheek-romanticism"?

How do you frame it?

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oho no

this is a pure act of lowering your value, and for what? to see her smile?

If you are a peasant and you meed a lord/queen/the pope you kiss his/her hand (also in movies), not the other way around.


It frames you as the weaker one, I wouldn't do it.

No I dont frame it with irony, but it does have room for lots of jokes such as ironic chivalry, etc. Its something new Im trying out on D2. I suppose its my current way of overcoming my sticking point of having a hard time with becoming more sexual as D2 progresses. In my mind, it makes the chick see right away why you are there. I can always disqualify mid D2.

I can keep you posted.

And again, I dont do it on D1.

This is how people address the pope (or used to). how is it sexual?