so help me out here what can i do in this situation... I had a girl in my bed she was already in a sports bra and short ready for bed. me in my skivvies.... so we are making out i finger her she gets off i get on top of her and she wont have sex with me or let me take off my undies, she grabs my hard cock and puts it like on/in her snatch and says right there.... im like okay? and she wont let me put it in, she says shes not like that! but i have already gotten her off....so i freeze out. and she again trys to make out with me i do and try this shit again....same thing. so i freeze out even harder... turn on the light and start reading a book. she gets pissed and starts bitching the just rolls over and thats the end of the night... how could this happen and how do i not let it happen again.

Maybe soften the LMR a bit... Dont piss her off. Just hurt her as much as you have to.

ive always thougght that freezing out and reading a book is too harsh. instead try this.

hb jumps off - you freeze out and ask her to tell you a story.

if she says i dont have any say fine - ill tell you one.

if she starts to tell one say - thats not a good story - and cut in.

tell the neil strauss stranger story. (ill post this at the end)

when you have finished, go for gold again, only this time keep switching your speeds. alternate from slow and passionate kissing, to cave man wild style. dont be predicable in your changing speeds - the idea is to confuse her. when you go cave man, get her up off the bed and slam her against the wall (your arm around her waist and arm behind her head so she dont get hurt).

styles story:
once apon a time an honest man and a beautiful woman were walking in opposite directions down a street towards each other. they both saw each other, and stopped to say hey. it wasnt a normal thing to do - completely random. so they started talking. and everything from there just seemed to click. they had everything in common, made each other laugh, and they both interested each other. then they went back to his/her place (depending on where it is you are) and they began to get intamate. but then they stopped, and decided that it was fate that had brought them together. they believed that if they truly were destined to be together, fate would reunite them. so they went their seperate ways. a couple of years later there was a deadly plaugue in the city which killed off thousands. a year later after worrying about each other, at the same time on the same night of the year, they walked down the same road in the same directions and the same routine fell into place. they decided that fate would once again reunite them and went their seperate ways - never to see each other again.

straight after this i usually go to get a bite to eat and leave her there to think and preserve her comfort levels.

V1V

alternate version that i like more

The story is about a man and a woman who randomly pass each other on the street one day. Both immediately get the intuition that the other is the 100% perfect for them. And , through some miracle they work up the courage to speak to each other. They walk and talk for hours and get along perfectly but gradually a sliver of doubt creeps into there hearts. It seems to good to be true. so to make sure there really meant to be they decide to part without giving contact information and let fate decide . if they run into each other again then they will truly know they are each others 100% perfect love and will marry on the spot
A day passes , a week passes , a month passes, years pass without them seeing each other
Eventually they each date other people who are not their true love
Many years later they finally pass on the street again, but to much time has gone by and they don't recognize each other

You see the lovers were lucky that fate allowed them to find each other once. when they doubter their feelings is was like tearing up a winning lottery ticket and waiting for another one just to make sure they were really meant to win

Taken from rules of the game by Neil Strauss, credited to Mr, Haruki Murakami

Both stories are good in my opinion V1V's is more mysterious I think, it should make the girl confused and wonder (very good?). The other story doesn't need you to think about what it means... there's the point in the last sentence.

@topic: How old is she & do you know if she's a virgin? One of my last girlfriends was a virgin, pretty rational and didn't want to have sex without condom AND pill. But she has hesitated to take the pill because she was afraid of getting fat/loosing libido/etc. all downsides of the pill. I could have never changed her mind at night I think - even with 100 freeze outs...

i swear to you man, i did the exact same thing.. wow.. freaky..

and igot the same results you did..

i had gotten her off but she had some LMR.. so i kept freezing out.. but the it didnt take me anywhere

I think you missed the point of freezing a girl out. I can tell by your story she knows you want her and she has you. You played well up until this point. She prolly thought you were pissed and you dont want her to think that. You turned on a light and started reading a book? WTF you just devalued yourself.

You should freeze her out or back off. Your playing cat and mouse though and if she says no, you pull away. I'd prolly say something like "I'm not going to let you tease me all night". You have to make jokes and have fun. Build comfort.

i get what your saying and i see that now... yeah i wanted her and i see where i conveyeed that she had me. thanks man, oh and the girl was 18 and not a virgin

Ive been here more than I can remember, and here is what you do...

Don't try to game her verbally. This is all physical, and if you are talking at all, it needs to be real low-key keep the comfort level sort of stuff. And then, only if you feel her slipping.

What you need to be doing at this point, from your description, is pushing the physical game. Touch her buttons, get her physically aroused. Any girl who takes it this far WANTS it, but is stopping for various unknown reasons.

So:

Rub your cock on her clit, without penetrating (if you are that far, seemed like thats what you said), and just keep it up. Use one hand so that you can apply maximum pressure, just dont hurt her. Keep the pressure on, the other hand should be constantly massaging her back/buttocks/neck/ear etc.. Every now and then, use your lower hand to "dip it in" just a centimeter or so, just tease her. Constantly. Dont go too fast, just patiently drive her nuts, even if it takes an hour or more.

What will happen is one of two things.

1) She likes it. Ok, thats good, still dont go too fast. Start "dipping" more often, and then start dipping deeper. Go too fast, and she might push you away, thats ok, just start over and repeat the whole process. Take your time, and before long you will be having full on sex.

2) She gives you a solid No. Ok. Time to go to sleep, but dont be a jerk. Talk to her, tell her its ok, you dont mind, you're not that kind of guy either, you are just totally attracted to her. Give her a nice backrub, maybe light kiss a bit, but dont try anything further unless she absolutely warms up. Next time, she will have sex with you almost guaranteed. If she doesn't, you shouldn't be wasting time with her unless you are honestly in love.

Oh almost forgot.. going down on her (if she is receptive) is a great play here, you will definitely warm her up to the whole thing, just dont try to rush it afterwards unless she pulls you up to her (as many girls will do).

thanks guys i thinki kinda pissed this one off and will never talk to er again.... so next time i got an arsenal!

Girls have told me side effects of the pill are mood swings (bad) bigger tits(good), but not getting fat, i guess loosing libido would be mood swings but a girls libido is something you give to her anyway


daggaz has posted the best advice, rub on her clit with your dick, that drives them wild, tease her, and she's end up doing everything