wats up guys its juice again looking for some hints and tips

so me and this girl work for the same life guarding company but at different pools. i met her working at my pool bcause she came over to cover one of our guards. anyways on meeting her i was negging teasing joking and number closed. we have been talking aka texting for like 5 weeks or more. we talked bout sushi and how she was gonna take me out and i tried to work a date out but nothing. i used role revearsal technique saysing she should be taking me out. anyways that fell thru.

now this week i hit her up saying we should go out and she agreed. she would take me out and pick me up with flowers in teasing way. she played along. i said thurs she will see said she was going to see her aunt. then i say saturday she says she is going out of town.i say sunday she gives me an excuse but then i say nevermind sunday i got plans then she texts "oh". but then i text her "i get it" and she says aww dont be all bummed out but i come back with who says i was. text her last night about how lifeguarding training was she responded i sent her a text saying y it was so awful....NO response. she is going away in a month or so bcause of school, same place i used to go but i transferred back home

BTW the i told her to hit me after lifeguard trainging she never did, that wen i texted her asking how it was. plus the whole time we were talking she has played the "oh i just saw this text" BUT I KNOW girls and phones ARE UNSEPERABLE..lol

GUYS any comments on this? where can i improve where am i going wrong?
THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP

-Juice
guys i get iois and even had some kino great convo but wa

i had heard some girl was bit of flake, so literally for the first half a dozen times we tried to organise something i'd bail before her. seemed to work, she sent me a text the other day "do you want to come over, my parents aren't in" no joke ha.

maybe just don't talk to her for a while? maybe you're being too available?

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AJ

she texted me today asking if i can work tomorrow at her pool to cover someone. but i said no.. 15 min later i said going out of town ( which is BS) and she responded immediatley saying "oh ok"

alexjames.... should i just completley stop talking to her until she restarts it? im thinking just on to the next one(s).

Yeah on to the next one. You went wrong somewhere but it probably wasn't your fault. It's possible that the one meeting wasn't enough for her, and a follow up seemed unsafe. No use to putting more holes in a sinking boat, moving on is your best chance at getting her, honestly.

These type of things typically happen when you don't create a solid enough emotional connection at the number close. You negged and teased, and probably gained some attraction (at least enough for a number close), but if you didn't establish a good enough connection with her, she isn't going to have much incentive to want to see you again. I'm sure there's dozens of guys wanting to take her out that she's "attracted" to, but she only wants to go on a date with one that she feels emotionally connected to. So you need to be DIFFERENT from all the other guys. There are tons of routines designed for this (the cube game for starters), trying to make her feel connected to you on a deep level, thus being different from all the other douchebags trying to pick her up. The core philosophy that pickup is founded on is simply to be "different" from all the other guys out there. You need to stop talking to her for a while, and let her come to you. If she does, great, that's your chance to start trying to build an emotional connection with her, if not, you learned your lesson and can move on and not make that mistake anymore. So don't worry about her, go and sarge a bunch of other chicks and try to establish a solid emotional connection in addition to the attraction building you're already good at.

Good luck man!

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yea thanks for the help guys. im not touching this one. neither am i initiating conatact. i was wondering if she did re initiate contact wit me, IF, should i retry on a meet up telling her she is in the friendzone ( putting the LJBF on the girl). would that work? ONLY IF she contacts me first. haha

personally i think on to the next one for at least a while. because that way you show her you have other options etc.

to be honest i've found that with girls around my age (i'm 18), you can always restart kinda a few months down the line or w/e.

yeah the LJBF could work, never really laid it straight like "i think we should just be friends..." but when i've implied it it's worked reasonably well.

i just show her i have other options or just when talking will mention stories/anecdotes involving other girls i know just so they realise that there are others too i guess.

it's your call, whatever you feel will work for you do it. you know yourself better than anyone.

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AJ

If your number closing in attraction, phone game is gonna take lots of work. Flakes are gonna be high.

You also wanna see where standing with the girl your gaming. If she is hitting you up without you texting her, is a safe bet to invite her out so you two can hang out alone.

If your the one texting first all the time, you don't want to make plans with her. You don't have enough comfort with her to hang out alone with her. She is gonna be uncomfortable. Instead, make plans with your friends, and invite her out on short notice. If I have plans to go bar hopping on Friday Night, I will not even hint at anything about it until Friday evening and invite her out. If she says no, is no big deal, you can continue gaming. Is not a deal breaker. If she says yes, she is coming out.

I had girls that told me no, but we continue talking, they were the ones hinting me to ask them out. Point is, your showing her your having a great time without her.

Also, in your situation, you have not hanged out with her long enough to get her

HERE ARE SOME COMMENTS ON THIS,
1)show interest before number close, if you are classic MM 3 IOIs (yes that is right actual, romantic/sexual interest)
2)get the number through time bridge (set up a meet, don't ask for number, if she agrees the number naturally follows), if she flakes on time bridge but offers her number saying but some other time, make her further qualify for your number (ie. say nah you wont call/meet/remember me *pick one* if she says NO ILL CALL/MEET/REMEMBER then she qualifies)
3)5 WEEKS OF TEXTING AND NO INVITE TO ISOLATION, WTF MAN, IF YOU DON'T WANNA BE FRIENDS ESCALATE THE SITUATION, there is a reason why there is a section in this forum called CLOSING AND DAY 2s, not CLOSING AND WEEK 5s
4)putting her in the LJBF zone is retarded, only way to fix this, is some good old obsenely direct sexuality, it is the only save here, and you will also require a freeze out, that is the only way i see this getting fixed, and tbh i don't see it getting fixed, i think this will fail, you toook WAY WAY WAY WAY tooo long to escalate, strike up a text convo, go obsenely sexual, she will respond negatively, stay congruent with it, tell her you can't help it and blame it on her, then freeze out for as long as it takes,

for example,
you:I HAVE A BONER RIGHT NOW,
her:WTF
you:I CAN'T STOP GETTING BONERS WHEN I THINK OF YOU, WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME
her: (negative response)

keep this shit up and stay congruent, it is her fault, tell her, I NEED TO REMOVE YOUR NUMBER, IF WE EVER MET UP, IT COULD NOT BE SAFE FOR YOU, IM NOT SURE WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, SO THIS IS GOOD BYE

(no matter what she texts after you send that last message, if it is not lets meet up do not answer, begin the freeze out the convo is over)

freeze her out as long as it takes, if she ever re-initiates, INVITE HER OUT AND DON'T FUCK IT UP, and definately do a call back, I told you it can't be safe for us to be around each other (leave it at that, don't go overt again if she re-contacts, but for the love of god sexually escalate if she goes out with you, and look up how kino compliance testing actually works)

TO
alexjames: bro thanks for the advice, i see that LJBF could work here but i decided on not doing i made up mind, NEXT.

Oouch: she is still talking to me but i doubt she is hinting anything. again thanks for ur input. ur right i havent had built up anycomfort
(physically) its all been texting

pumpington: Bro u know what man ur fucking right, this shit is called day2 and closing not week 5 and closing.I HAVE A BONER RIGHT NOW,
her:WTF
you:I CAN'T STOP GETTING BONERS WHEN I THINK OF YOU, WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME
her: (negative response)

im gonna pull something similair to this today and will update .
im kinda dissapoined but its alright its a learning experience and ill know what NOT to do and WHAT to do next time

THANKS everyone

lol.