Just to give you everyone some background about 2 years back my game was tight, then between old loves coming back, heart break again and just getting out of another year and half relationship I'm rusty haha.

Ok so onto the topic at hand..

At a buddys house the other night, we had like a small party 3 girls to about 5 guy. One of the girls is just outright gorgeous, prolly HB8 (maybe even 9) I was rather impressed w/ myself I played all my cards perfect from the moment she walked in the door, I had her full attention, had her laughing, I DHVed Negged everything was going perfect. I played little games w/ her like the 5 questions game (neil strauss) in fact she even got such a kick out of that she called her friend over and had me do it again.


then we all went to another party, this party was packed. For the most part I hung out w/ my buddys there were we we laughing and having a good time we were without a doubt hte life of the party even though there were prolly 60 people there. I did get her alone for a little ( by alone i mean a couple chairs int he corner of the room where we could at least talk) we talked and real naturally and smoothly I did some esp type stuff, she seemed really freaked out that i "knew " so much about her haha so I used the line Mystery used about "have you ever guess, and have you guess right, and how did it make you feel" Good..." Thats how I feel all the time"

I dont mean to make this a novel so I'll try and wrap it up.. I get her # of course (which i actually find rather easy to do, its the nxt part im having trouble w/) I face booked her and messaged her online made some small talk about the party the night before and then said "so If i wanted to get to know you beter what are some things you would tell me about your self ...and since beauty is common they can't be about your looks" (mystery/neil strauss)

no reply for 2 days.. I figure ok shes not interested (even though i knew i had her 3 nights earlier at the party)

Then last night (2 days from when we talked last) I get a text from her the transcript is below

HB8: "Hey sorry I didn't get back to you"
Me: " NP, its thats time of year. speaking of which Im out w/ my friend and dont have the first clue how to get started w/ all this shopping. any suggestions? (this was my attempt to go right into a story or anything that wasn't your average boring "np.. what are you doing")
HB8: "Hmm.. for who?"
Me: "Well I want to do someting really special for my mom" (my friend was w/ me and suggested i do the mom approach (sensitive guy) i guess

HB8: "well what does she like"
Me: "Well shes alot like me, really adventurous and likes to try new things. Whats something fun and sorta different?" (I tried to drop subtle DHV

HB8: "let me think about it and get bak to u"
Me: Alright do you have a screen name hb8?

...Next Day...

Me: "Tell me what you think, I'm thinking ticket to a nice dinner theater for her and my dad. Do you think thats classy enough?
HB8: Way Classy!
Me: "Cool, so what fun things are you doing for the holiday" (no reply yet but I def feel like that last one was way to common, it was boring and Im starting to drop the ball.

So my questions would be this...

1) what could I have done better
2) how do I regain the intrigue and excitement I had her feeling a couple nights ago
3) tips on smoothly getting her to a date
4) general advice for txt game and or phone to help me land this

Things to consider:

1) I had my own apartment a couple years ago, I'm currently living back w/ my parents temporarily so it def puts a damper on that end.

2)she lives 2 1/2 hours away however goes to college only about 30 mins away

3) I'm not 21 for another 2 months and shes 19.(so bars are out of question)

Thanks

Wow Magnum - you sound EXACTLY like the situation I have right now.. There are a TON of great texting help threads around here - search texting or something similar to that. I did it and found a whole lot of great lines and phrases.

When you are texting it becomes very difficult to show sarcasm and c+f because there isn't the body language factor. Doing them is not out of the question, just have to be careful. Be alpha first and foremost - you had a little AFCness in there but nothing you cannot overcome.

I definitely recommend utilizing the search but after some comfort building you can use the:
You: STOP IT!!
HB: ?
You: Thinking about me and smiling.. see - you're doing it... right... now!

That was one that I used with GREAT success that I found while I was searching around for texting ideas. One of many.

Good luck!

Looking back, the few things I did wrong were 1, not as much kino as I should have though the attraction and comfort I believe were there and most importantly 2 No time bridge so anything at this point is new and random.

So I have a few idea on how to redeam myself, but I could certainly use some suggestions

i'll tell you what I learned from experience. basically there are many places you could have "screwed up". the way you probably played things out you may have did fine to a person without many options of guys, but like you said... if she's an HB8 or 9... she probably doesn't HAVE to have you. which is why you need to be EVEN better than the rest. you are probably happy with yourself because you're trying to become a PUA and you've done better than you normally would. you researched theory, learned some lines and games... and at that time your confidence was high. naturals still have an edge over you and me because they have more experience with women.

DHV's and negs don't always cut it. so what i've learned was that besides kino the key to all of this was that you had her at the time you were with her. the fact that you didnt k-close, get her to qualify all that much means a lot. you need to make SURE she wants you, not just in an "interested" way. IOIs are sometimes misinterpreted. I k-closed women who want nothing to do with me 2 days later... it happens.

you need more comfort building at later stages and although you may have felt like you were acting alpha by hanging out with your friends at the 2nd party, you probably didnt have her as much as you thought you did. you also immediately lost respect when you facebooked her and texted her quite easily. YOU were the one who was obviously interested, and she's probably just keeping you around because SHE has the option.... not you.

sorry if i'm being a little harsh, let me tone it down a little bit. so preselection is huge sometimes, so a DHV story about past girlfriends, women who are interested in you, etc... goes a long way. being seen with cute girls as social proof can make you look 4x-5x times more attractive. like I said you need to get her to qualify by looking alpha and as if you can do better than her.

with your facebook message it's clear that you are getting HER opinion, and you want it. you have been qualifying this whole time and that one liner about "beauty is common so what do you have going for you than just your looks" did she even answer that correctly? did she immediately feel inferior or insecure and try to make herself look better?

be aware of IOIs because they mean exactly what they mean, indicators of INTEREST.... NOT attraction.

an indicator of attraction is when they constantly qualify and want to hang out with you. when they react appropriately the way YOU knew they should/would have. you must lead conversations but also lead the way she feels and acts. frame questions so that she asks YOU the right questions that lead to great DHV stories. routines work well but you can't play games forever. push and pull... show interest then don't care about her at all. maybe tell her about a girl you're thinking about dating, and how her smile reminds you of the HB8's smile.

say something like this (i think i posted this somewhere else as well, oh well)

PUA: hey, i thought i saw you the other day. i swear it could have been your twin. like if you died, they could probably just replace you with her haha
PUA: it's weird though, i was actually attracted to her
HB: blah blah, what makes her different from me
PUA: i think it's her smile, yea she has such a great smile. i mean don't get me wrong, you're's is nice an all but it doesn't really stand out you know?
HB: blah blah blah (she should be qualifying... at this point you can just agree but act "iffy" about it... as if you're just trying to please her so she can shut up)

maybe go back to the subject and say

PUA: or maybe it was her confidence. she just had that great self image, like she knows she deserves the best of everything, you know?
HB: I'm confident!
PUA: yea i guess...

push and pull.... make them attracted, then act as if you don't even need her. DONT show IOIs until AFTER they begin showing you some. and keep it light until you're sure you have her.

sometimes you need to isolate and build more comfort before they feel comfortable around you later. set up day 2's at the same time you get her number! that is very important.

if they don't invest that much time in you at the party, it's harder to get them back later on... ESPECIALLY when they have more options. that's why a lot of PUAs can get #-closes but the HB NEVER answers or claims to be busy.... right?

make them invest time, but don't be too needy/eager.

sorry if i didnt help much. either way good luck...

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by Casual (Age 20, Upcoming PUA)

Thanks for your reply Casual
Yea I think that one liner fell apart because A) it was asked over Facebook and B) I didn't even get a reply.

I think you're post was right on, and you were very right about a lot of things in there. See at the first party at my friends house it was this girl and 2 other and the other 2 weren't very good looking. At the second party the dynamics def changed.. there were tons of hot girls and a ton of guys hitting on the HB8 I was working on. I think the things is 2 years ago when it was more highschool aged girls and college freshman the shit that worked for me then isn't working now that these girls are 20 and older. Plus yeah I think though I try not to, I am def coming across pretty eager just because I know what it was like before and I'm anxious to get back to that.

Does this ever happen to anyone else.. you meet the girl lets say at a party or w/e and shes like the only good looking girl or even if shes not but thats the only thing i think about the whole time and so subcontiously I think I'm giving off too strong of IOI's even if i dont mean to.. how do i control this haha?

Well personaly,

I think you did ok you had her attention. You built alittle rapport not enough but alittle. You played games DHV. You bounced to a different party.
Theres a couple things to remember though and thats how other people see you. Because you can't see yourself acting right? So were you confident or over anxious? Where you quailfiying her or she quailifying you ect. The other PUA pretty much gave you great advice so I'm not going to play repeat on this one.

The one thing you didn't do though was kiss her. I think you had plenty of time for this and comfort to do so. You have to do this in order for her to feel more attraction to want to be with you. and I don' t mean kiss close either. because like the other guy said. You can kiss close and not get a call back the next time you call. why because a kiss close is rather easy to do most girls will kiss you if you half good looking.
I mean I would have kissed her a couple times through out the nite to ensure shes mine. then got the number because it's most likely to not be wood If you and her are hot and heavy and built great rapport.
Oh and never facebook or text in the begging it's lame as hell. Call thats why you got the number use it. If she dont call back fuck it. Never get caught up on one girl it will kill your confidence unless your sure she is into you like no other.

To ensure a day 2.
Phone game

This works for me number 1 when you call dont ask 20 questions you already played that game at the party. And shes already intrested so talk naturaly to her about random things just be yourself act as if your already dating.
Now to get her to go on a date with you just say this. " So I something fun for us planned to do. but I'm not going to tell you what it is" So lets meet up on ----- at --- ok" And we can take it from there" Whatever you do dont tell her about the date. she will go trust me just to find out what it is even if it's lame.
Then add this to make it more fun thanks mystery. Tell her to get you a present and it has to be under a dollar for when you meet up. And I usally do the same for her." Its makes for a fun meeting on a day 2.

Her place
Now as far as you living with your parents no big deal. She goes to college wich means she has a dorm room correct? So build the day2 around were she lives. and bring a bottle of wine for after the great date so you can have a drink at her place for some more convo. Get it now friend?
Now sometimes things go different I react differently in certain cases but from what I gathered this is what I would have done give or take depending on her reactions. I hope this helps a little friend I'm done and said my share.

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BRENT AKA "HOLLYWOOD"