I was in my local club two days ago, and I was dancing and just generally having a good time. I seen beautiful women dancing next to me, so I smiled to her, she smiled back and we had a good time dancing. Afterwards at the bar, we had a good convo (i believe in natural game btw), and she gave me her number. But I got the feeling that we ended on a negative note. Now i think I know why it ended on a negative note: because i rushed the goodbye- but thats not my point.

Ever since i finally got myself into this game, I've realised that one of the biggest pieces of bullshit 'pua instructors' feed you are numbers. If a women gives you her number it really doesn't mean that much! I mean seriously! I called this women earlier today, and then text her as well, she hasn't replied- and i get the inkling that she won't full stop. Fair enough, I'm not going to do anything more! I get the message- and I'm not weak! And this as happened around eight times to me, it's getting to be common. Only once have I actually got a date off a number- but that was because I spent a good while talking to this women at the bar and there was just a proper connection.

Here's the conclusion: Never trust a PUA who claims he/ she can get loads of numbers; always judge your success rate by how many women you've shagged. Always!

Agreed. If your game is solid then you'll get numbers fairly easily. You can get a number within a minute of meeting someone if you're game is solid enough, but if you don't build enough comfort and attraction with her before you leave, the number will almost certainly be flaky.

This is why time bridging is so much more important than number closing. You could get 10 numbers in one night, chances are, at least 8 of them will flake. Building comfort and attraction, and setting up either an instant date, or a date at another time is far more important than just going out and number closing.

Time bridging I think happens naturally when two people are just having a good time; because its not weird as the two have instant trust with each other- instant rapport.

And your fucking right about those two things as well; timebridging is absolutely essential as to whether a 'quality' girl will meet you again; and real 'PUAs' should be going to clubs either to get a one night stand, a good time or a date, not to get numbers.

You're right about the comfort and attraction. Always make her remember you and already set a date.

But I would like to add that it's still very possible to convert your numbers into day 2's. You need proper phone and text game. Use callback humor (something funny she can remember from the night you guys met) and don't ask too many questions use statements. Gradually increase the amount of texting (when she starts sending messages from herself you can try and set up a day 2). Just try to show her that you're a fun person by telling her about funny things you experienced today. Don't doubletext and show her that you are a busy person (waiting a while to text back or even not texting back because you were busy). If you want more detail about it try reading "The ultimate guide to phone and text game"

You'll still have flakes if you don't do proper comfort and attraction but you'll be able to convert more numbers into day 2's

I agree that numbers aren't alot.


but...how do you reach the girl to hangout, other then numbers?

and if she wants to reach you, then how does she?

its not like you know where eachother live immeditely

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