This is a girl I see at work. According to the many, many IOI's I should be k-closing now (at least). Today I sat down at a couch when we were isolated, there was plenty of room but she sat down next to me on the same couch. Kino was ok. But we had a heavy conversation about some problems that stress her. I support her and she adores me. But I couldn't apply one of the PUA routines to k-close because they're all situated in a cheerful setting. Last few days she's stressed so I don't want to push but I'm afraid to loose momentum. The only IOD that I signal is that she doesn't lean into me when I lean into her. But there are tons of IOI's.

Wait for the right moment or pull a trick that I don't know of but that works during stress?

If she's stressed then put your game on pause or move on if you have to. It'd be better to show that you can listen to her when she needs support and to talk to you about those things ect. Believe it or not you can do that without falling into the "friend zone" if you play it right. If you say things like "I'm always here for you ect, talk to me anytime" and stuff like that ......that is friend zone stuff...... but if you just sit and listen to her then I think it'll work in your favor since girls (most at least) want someone who they feel listens to them ect.

But obviously don't try to kiss her or play some other game when she's stressed out or something. It'll probably fail.

I'd just say something towards the end of your conversation like "hey, I know exactly what will cheer you up, lets (do/go something ect.)" or just find a way to get whatever is bothering her off her mind.

Don't try too hard to offer too much advice either, just listen.


I had a girl dump me a few years back complaining that I don't listen enough and I always try to "fix/offer advice ect."

Ok thanks, that's how it went. I did do some 'friends zone' stuff though but I'm a good listener. In fact, her main problem was solved today after my advice yesterday. Guess what, many high fives where she grabbed my hand for seconds. Next week we'll dine and (massive IOI) she arranges me on the guest list of a club.

Good, looks like you have it set. Be your confident self but not a wuss. If you do things right you'll find it gets more and more natural and you don't need much of this "game" stuff. Good luck!