So I've been seeing this girl for about three weeks now. We have hung out a few times over the last few weekends, mostly at parties. I've already K-Closed her at one of my parties(We were in the pool and really drunk). We've been friends for about a year now (She used to flirt with me even when I had a girlfriend, and she would do it sneaky too like when my girlfriend was nearby but not looking.) Also, we kiss every time we see each other now and last time we were standing around next to each other, she pulled my hands around her waist to hold her. So I feel like this girl is really interested in me now. And I'm starting to get that "girlfriend" vibe, like shes acting like she may want a relationship, which I DON'T WANT. I've just recently gotten out of a 2-year relationship and am not looking for a girlfriend right now. One problem though is that shes kind of immature, I mean shes still and high school. She is going to be a senior this upcoming school year. And I am 19 years old (Graduated last year). The night that I k-closed her, she said something really strange when we were saying goodbye. As she was walking away to leave she shouted "I love you!", then turned around, walked a few steps, then she looked back as if she just realized what she said and shouted "I'm just kidding!" .... What.. the.. fuck? I mean I understand we were still kind of drunk when she said it but come on.. I figure she was coming off as playful like how a friend would say it, and also I think maybe she was nervous of what to say and she just shouted the first thing that came to her.. But I don't really know and it's still strange either way.

Anyway, all of the times we've hung out, she was with a couple friends so I didn't really get a chance to get her alone and try to F-close. Also, something tells me this might be one of those girls that won't fuck unless we're "Together" like in a relationship, because of her morales or w/e. Not that she has mentioned anything like that but she is a good girl and many of the good girls I've known are like that. Is there some way I can avoid having to be in a relationship to F-Close this girl? If so what should I do?


Also I'd like to apologize for the length of this post, I just thought it would maybe give you guys a better perspective on whats happening between this girl and I, so you have a better idea of what I should do in this situation. Any advice given will be much appreciated, not just advice regarding how to F-Close her but any advice in general is fine too. Thanks!

You're not going to listen to me, but don't try to f-close this girl. One of the "rules" of PUA is to leave 'em better than you found them. This girl will totally expect a relationship if you f-close. To her, an f-close will probably mean that you are girlfriend and boyfriend. If you're going to do it, tell her that you just got out of a relationship and you want to enjoy your down time, but you still want to spend time with her. Do it at your won risk, it sounds like it'll be messy.

Thanks for the reply, this girl is probably an HB8 give or take. My ex-girlfriend is a lot hotter but I've been using a lot of the techniques that I've learned on this new HB8. Because there's a lot of techniques I can't try on my ex, which I'm sure you already know. I've been using a lot of pua techniques that I've learned on this HB8, it seems to be going really good with this new HB8, these techniques really seem to be working effectively. And now I'm past opening, mid-game, K-close, and really want to get that F-Close without her thinking we are boyfriend and girlfriend, if I let her know that I just got out of a relationship and I just wanna enjoy my downtime should I tell her before we f-close and see how she reacts to that(the possibility she won't fuck now.) or should I hit it then tell her and see how she reacts, because of she reacts badly AFTER I hit it, then I can just quit it? Also do you think if I told her that I'm moving to Florida in 2 years(which I am) and that's another reason I don't think we should get together in a relationship, what do you think?

2 years is a long ass time. You could be married by then. You could change a lot by then. This is what she is thinking. She already said she loves you waaaaaayy prematurely. At least tell her before you try to f-close her that you don't want a relationship out of it, I like the way I phrased it. As long as you tell her that BEFOREHAND, you should be guilt free. If she latches on after that, it's her own damn fault for not listening and thinking you'd flip flop. Leading a girl on and then hitting it is bad form. Are you that hard up? But anyway, stick to your own code. It's just bad in my book.

Yeah your definitely right man, I have tried the hit it and quit it routine before and I actually asked her out too(Just so I could fuck her, BTW I'm talking about the girl I lost my virginity to, and I was only 16 and really stupid at the time, and desperate, she was about a HB6.) And I ended up breaking it off with her after 3 weeks for some really stupid reason, like because she smoked a cigarette and lied to me about it, lmao I know it was really dumb but I couldn't really think of any other way to break it off with her. And another thing to add on that was I did it through text messages(I know big ass mistakes, but we live and we learn right.) Anyway I really hurt that girl a lot, she was good friends with one of my male friend's girlfriend at the time, and my male friend's girlfriend told me she cried for like three or four days straight and was devastated. It got really messy, it even got to the point that she was pretending she was pregnant and saying things like "What if I was pregnant what would you do?!" Which is when I replied "Then I would drive your ass to get an abortion." Anyway, I really felt like a big asshole for doing it, and I told myself I wouldn't do it again. And I haven't since, so thanks for the advice I'm definitely gonna let her know before I F-Close.

BTW just so you guys know that HB6 that I hit and quit, well a few months ago I apologized for what I did and I told her I was an asshole and stupid, etc. Now she wants to fuck again lol, so its all good between me and her, I always try to undo my wrongs. Thanks again for the advice Minsok.

I'm going to call it.

No matter what you tell her- as in you're not looking for anything serious- she's going to play that non-needy role for a while. However, this is just her trying to win you over.

I've got this a ton of times. Girls will act like they ain't serious and then fucking explode into crazy drama.

I say tread lightly. It has all the elements of a drama disaster. Regardless of practicing tactics or not- I think it's a bad move.

Oh yeah, good point. That's why I never EVER screw a girl I don't find attractive just for gratification. Because what if her raunchy ass does get pregnant? You'd be stuck dealing with her forever. I know, use condoms and shit, but even the slightest possible chance scares me soft. And if you manipulate a girl and make her regret it right after, she could cry rape, too. So, you might get to skip that experience this time. That is why it's important not to lie to get a girl to sleep with you, it's not just a morality thing.

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