Hey guys. Here's my recent story with blondie HB9. You guys would be reading forever, so I'll keep it 'short' haha. I am almost desperate for advice, maybe some reassurance, I don't know. You tell me. FYI, at this point in time this target has now become almost strictly practice (which is really unfortunate) but yeah, it is what it is.

Anyway. It all starts out about 3 weeks ago, she's in one of my classes. She always comes to class right as it's starting. So the first day of this class I was all annoyed cause there weren't any good targets, until she walked in the door. I instantly knew that she was the one I was going to work, so on the way out of class that day - I kino'd her arm lightly and said hey. she says hi back all happy/surprised and i ask her what her major is? she responds as i turn half-away and by that time she is walking out of the room. btw, she's an HB9, absolutely gorgeous girl. I originally was pissed I didn't maintain a convo, but it was good cause it added mystery and confusion.

Then, the next time I saw her I chatted her up before/after class. We sat next to eachother. I asked if 'we could continue this conversation another time' and got her number. The next time we had class after that, I asked what she was doing that night (Friday) and she said work. I asked if she wanted to hang out after work and she said yes. I called her later that night (after work) and she didn't answer. Left a message just saying who I was, that I'm at a buddies house, and if she feels like getting a bite to eat let me know. No return phone call ever.

I realize that she is going to be tricky as hell, this girl loves the games. She is hard. It intrigues me, so I continue. I become more confident and use more C&F, and it's gaining more of her interest slowly. One day we were talking and all the sudden I just said later and turned the corner to leave instead of continue walking with her. Anyway, I 'asked her out' again, and she said she had class till x:00 that night but was supposed to hang out with friends afterwards, but she said she'd text me if she can. Never texted me.

So at this point (2 weeks later) i'm like fuck it all. I stop giving a shit. I keep talking to her in class but for example, once she showed up a tad late - I didnt say a word to her or give her any eye contact for the entire 50 minute period until class was over.

I'm forgetting to mention that during all of this, she was laughing at not-funny stuff, playing with her hair, maintaining eye contact, waiting for me to get up before she left the classroom, etc. Alot of IOIs everywhere, but I figured she was just being nice.

Okay so now the retarded part. Class was cancelled on Monday. I use this as my ultimate opportunity. I wait for her outside class (sneaky, waiting for her to approach the class so it looks natural) and here she comes. I'm all "dont-give-a-fuck" so I snap my fingers and point at her, and out come the words "Today's your lucky day!" and I tell her we're going to get coffee. Long story short, we get coffee. She pays for her own coffee, everything about it was alpha/a great instadate. Sweet. We spent 2 hours talking, she didnt even realize the time had passed and was late for work because of it (awesome).

I go back to school, and she calls in work.

I think this is when I fucked it up big time. Yeah. Right about here.

I get a text from her, stating she called in to work and they were slow so they didnt need her. IN OTHER WORDS - Hey, I'm available tonight, let's hang out! I text her back some bs and set up a dinner date for tonight.

The night comes, I'm 30 mins late due to traffic (I let her know before I was supposed to get there) but it wasnt a big deal. We go to dinner, and talk for almost 3 more hours. It was great, but I was totally letting my guard down in the sense that I started giving a shit. I cared. I wanted to know her feelings, her thoughts, her goals. You know. I think deep down that's what I'm looking for. It's not like I was showing a fuck ton of interest, but you know, she was comfortable as hell with me (maybe too much?). Our feet/legs were touching the entire time at the table. Everything seemed to go perfectly.

We leave to the car and she wraps my arm around her on the way to my ride. It was dark and lonely in the parking lot, I could have kissed her right before we got to the car but I didnt think about it, and I'm now fucking pissed about it but whatever, lesson learned. (ugh..)

I used the kiss-routine where you ask her how good a kisser she is, "if you were in kissing school and your kissing instructor rated you what grade... blah blah" and she obviously didn't have a direct answer so I pulled the "well you know what that means, im gonna have to find out on my own" card. She said "hmm another day" and it totally fucking killed my enthusiasm. I was pumped to kiss this girl but when she said that I dropped all that, I dunno. It sucked. I didn't show my reaction though, I played it cool like "hmm I can respect that" - whatever. none of this would have been happening if i kissed her in the first place.


Anyway, I drop her off, give her a little back pat as she leaves the car. Probably should have walked her to her door but yeah. Again, shoulda kissed earlier. Fuck. Whatever.

Anyway. 2 days pass and I see her at class (She never called/texted/etc., nor did I during these 2 days). We talk at class like normal, nothing really special but she is in a good mood, seems happy to see me. Class goes by, I don't give her too much attention during class. Afterwards I'm talkign to her a bit but theres another guy (he's gay, and she loves him, fucking annoying) talking to her. I should ahve ejected out and just left them talking, but instead I tagged along and played with the conversation. I waited till the gay guy left, grabbed her arm and pulled her to the side (in an alpha manner, respectfully) and she was like "so did we establish he was gay yet?" - just a little joke/whatever we had going. We talked for a couple minutes and then I asked her, indirectly, to come out with me again on Saturday night. She said she was working (which I already knew) but she gets off work at like 7-8 so we still could have chilled.

I just said "alright, well we'll figure it out" or something along those lines and she left for the day. I felt like shit. I know better than to ask her out like that, she is one of those on-the-spot people. Now I know better... Anyway, I text her later saying that something reminded me of her, she asked what it was, i responded with something intriguing that definitely grabbed her interest, but i said it was too long to text and to call me later. She never called (I knew she wouldn't the whole time, she is getting very predictable).

Anyway, if you managed to read all that. Now I dont know what the fuck to do. I plan on ignoring her until Sunday night (4 days) and calling her up then, being direct as hell. Asking her to hang out, and if she declines, find out a time when she will be able to, and if she doesnt have a time, just be straight up and tell her "listen, I like hanging out with you and I'd like to get to know you better, but I don’t have time to play tag anymore” and see what she says. if she bullshits again, i'll just ask her "are you interested or not?" I know this sounds a little AFC, but what else am I supposed to do? I guess I could just end the convo with a "alright I gotta go. bye." and pretend she doesn't exist. I dunno. This is where I need help.

The MAJOR problem with "cutting her off" is that it's impossible, as she sits next to me in class 3 days a week. but I could definitely stop walking with her after class, and obviously stop texting her. I haven't called her yet since that first time I tried (and right before picking her up for the date), so it's not like i'm littering her with phone calls/etc. I'm probably just trying to hard while I walk with her after class. I also don't want to kill the buzz from the date if I wait too long, but at this point it may be an actual smart idea to let the buzz die off (it already has mostly for her im sure)

Thanks in advance, you guys are champs for reading through all that shit, lol.

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I dont think anybody is goign to read this being this long
not even i did

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lol i read it all, shame im totally new to this and have little idea what to advise. I'd suggest social proofing/dhv by gaming some other girls in the class (even if their only 6s or whatever) keep u on ur toes, stop urself from one-itising completely. I think u were too available too early, it was like 'when are you free hb? im free constantly,' major dlv. Dont call again if she doesnt return the favour, that lowers you in her eyes surely.


Major points for those that cant b bothered to read:

Hb9 in class, some initial kino and conversation led to a #close, a few rejections/ignored calls and eventually a coffee date more out of luck than anything (this seems to have gone well)

Dinner and an attempted k-close gone wrong, a cock-blocking gay friend and now he's considering AFC tactics and declaring his interest outright.

did i get the jist of it? part of being a good writer is being concise

Yeah I'm pretty new to this and all, but I'd go with the guy above. Shift your tactics to another girl (girls) in the class, and make sure your HB9 sees you doing it! Perhaps even make reference to her in your conversation with these other girls. If she comes over to find out a) whats going on b) If you're talking about her, brush her interuption off and state how rude it is, and keep focussing on the other girl. Judging by what you said, she may play game too, and completely ignore you, in which case you may need to engage her again.

Try not to take her 'no calls' to heart. She seems to be an impulsive, ad-hoc sorta girl, and perhaps this is the way you need to approach it. Perhaps it may even be time to be a bit harsher/more direct with her. She's blown you off a few times now, maybe do what Ross Jeffries says, and explain to her how rude it is to not return someone's calls, and how you expect a certain degree of civilness between two decent people, and how she's not doing this. Keeping your cool all the while of course, but still conveying that your angry. Take control and show her that you can be the powerful 'safe' man she needs : P

Hope this helps.

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Yeah. I know, I won't let it happen again - it's not worth the shitty feeling I had afterwords. I'm not gonna use any kiss tactics or all that shit, I'll just do it when it feels right.. I was too busy thinking about it that I missed my opportunity outside



Lao/English first, thanks a bunch for reading. It took me less than 10 mins to type all that so I don't even know how it all came out so fast lol. Anyway, your points are very valuable. I agree with not calling again, I think I'm just gonna forget about that. One of my other rafc friends mentioned that I shouldn't have said "call me later" and instead "ill tell you later", which I almost wish I did cause she would be curious as to when I'd have contacted her, but yeah too late for that now too.

There's a couple cute girls in the class that I could game easily, I could motion for one to sit next to me and chat her up during class, that'd be hilarious (and sooo obvious to hb9). At this point it's totally worth trying. And yes, the coffee date was more luck than anything. Right place at the right time.

Dude english, implying some Jeffries techniques is definitely a smooth idea. She probably would enjoy the upfront-ness and general "sass" involved. Another reason she might be all weird too, fyi, is because she's been in a big handful of LTRs. Some a couple years, some 4 months, so yeah. She's been through a ton. The suggestion for telling her how it's rude to not call back is good, but she could easily shit test counter with "you know it's the guy that's supposed to call me" or "i went to sleep early." I'll figure it out though. Trying to think if I should jump right into this tomorrow (Friday) or wait for after she starts reacting to me gaming other girls.

One last thing. I know for a fact if she saw me gaming other girls she would become ferociously jealous. That's how she is. She plays the games hardcore - but it also means she's vulnerable to them because she'll know exactly what I'm doing and she will feel the burn from it. Looking forward to digging this reaction out of her.

Looks like I need to read more Ross Jeffries. Thanks again dudes. More comments are appreciated!

Hey Rocket, np for the comment. I'm here to learn just like you are. The more comments/suggestions/opinions, the more we all learn (in theory!).

In response to the above. Let her give you those responses. They are testing, but I've heard real SHIT tests hehe. Fact is, she has been ignoring your calls, so it doesn't matter 'if the guy calls her' cos she won't pick up!! If a missed call is the way she judges interest in her, I wouldn't oblige! A missed call for her, is a missed opportunity for her

And if she went to sleep, she should have called you in the morning. If it were Brad Pitt, she would pick the hell up

You're the prize, and make sure she knows it.

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Agree with englishaccent. No matter how hot a chick is, you never want to call more than twice without her picking up or calling you back. People DO GET their calls, and yes, if you were Brad Pitt, she would call you back.

But where you fucked up was that you started being nice on your date, and she was thinking, oh great another fucking nice guy. Nope it's not what she wants, she wants a caveman that can pull her hair while giving her anal. Stop putting these women on pedastals, and learn to treat them as if they were 5's.

Not to sound insensitive but put it this way, you have all the opportunity in the world to be the nice guy after you banged her.